Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srabanta Deb/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Srabanta Deb was an editor who edits were mainly of a Hindu religious nature. He created (and re-created) articles on various Hindu temples (they have recently been deleted). He was also interested in Santa Das Kathiababa and his predecessor Ramdas Kathiababa. Srabanta Deb was blocked on 24 September 2023.

Radha Krishna Nama was created on Commons on 28 February 2023, and has recently started editing Wikipedia.

Radha Krishna Nama's global user contributions shows that his/her first acts including editing Wikidata with respect of Santa Das Kathiababa, and uploading pictures to Commons for use on Srabanta Deb's temple articles.

I do not have access to the article histories for Srabanta Deb's deleted temple articles, but as I remember, there were sometimes very short time intervals between Radha Krishna Nama's Commons account uploading images and Srabanta Deb's Wikipedia account using them in in articles. This suggested to me that they were either the same person, or two people working together with off-Wiki contact. -- Toddy1 (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Shared interest in Ramdas Kathiababa. Srabanta Deb Radha Krishna Nama
 * The same error with putting an image in the infobox of an article.Srabanta Deb Radha Krishna Nama
 * Shared interest in Nimbarkacharya.Srabanta Deb Radha Krishna Nama
 * Shared interest in Nimbarka Sampradaya.Srabanta Deb Radha Krishna Nama

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 21:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 21:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 21:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Srabanta Deb obsessively created articles on Santa Das Kathiababa under different spellings (e.g. Santadasji Kathia Baba, Swami Santa Dasji Kathiababa, and Santadas Kathiababa). There is a new version of this article at Santadas Kathiababa, created at 14:02, 3 November 2023‎ (UTC) by Pratyutpannamati, and Deb Pradipta started editing it 14:43, 3 November 2023‎ (UTC).article history

Deb Pradipta has the same interest in Kathiababa-related topics. For example, he/she has also contributed to Kathia Baba,Srabanta Deb,Deb Pradipta Swami Dhananjoy Das Kathiababa Mahavidyalaya.Srabanta Deb,Deb Pradipta

What drew my attention to Deb Pradipta was their edit to Kathia Baba, which added statements that were not supported by the citations he/she provided. This was typical of Srabanta Deb. (Note that a URL provided by Deb Pradipta is wrong, this is the URL intended. But it did not support the content it was cited for.)

I am not sure whether Pratyutpannamati is a related account or not - see Editor Interaction Analyser. -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It is worth noting that all are users of Commons, Wikidata, and Bengali Wikipedia as well as English Wikipedia:
 * Srabanta Deb: global account information (blocked on Commons for multiple accounts 24 December 2020)
 * Radha Krishna Nama: global account information (sock of Srabanta Deb)
 * Deb Pradipta: global account information
 * Pratyutpannamati: global account information
 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * According to the infobox that he put on his user page:
 * Srabanta Deb's name in real life is "Pradipta Deb".
 * Deb Pradipta's name is "Deb Pradipta Deb".
 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

A new account (Ms Rumi Akter) placed a correctly-completed speedy deletion template on Santadas Kathiababa. It seems most unlikely that a genuine first-time editor would know how to do this. Clearly they are not a sock of Srabanta Deb; but I suspect that they are a sock of somebody. The account was created two minutes before they made their edit. Would it be possible for a checkuser to be run on Ms Rumi Akter please? -- Toddy1 (talk) 11:25, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ms Rumi Akter

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Technically very . Blocking, tagging as proven, lock requested. Don't see any other accounts, but they're jumping about some fairly busy ranges so I could potentially have missed something - come back if other accounts appear.  Girth Summit  (blether)  13:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
The Bozz aldrin account was created on 4 October 2023 (a few days after Srabanta Deb's block was changed to indefinite). But except for two edits to establish the account on 4 October 2023, all his edits were made after the Deb Pradipta sock account got blocked.

Interaction Analyser shows that Deb Pradipta and Bozz aldrin both share an obsessive interest in Santadas Kathiababa and Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa.

Special:CentralAuth/Srabanta Deb, Radha Krishna Nama, Deb Pradipta, and Bozz aldrin show that all four are/were users of English-Wikipedia, Bengali-Wikipedia and meta.wikimedia.org.

Srabanta Deb and Deb Pradipta both used Template:Infobox Wikipedia user on their user pages,Srabanta Deb, Deb Pradipta and Bozz aldrin has too.Bozz aldrin Srabanta Deb and Deb Pradipta both claimed to be from Bangladesh and to speak Bangla and English, whereas Bozz aldrin claims to be born in "Los Angeles, United States" and to be "a citizen of the United States of America", but also claims to be English! Judging from his edits, he is not a native speaker of English.

Like Deb Pradipta, Bozz aldrin objects to the "page needed" tags that I placed next to citations to books in the article on Santadas Kathiababa. (I think the reason for the objection is that it would require him to actually read and understand the sources he is citing. I doubt that his language skills make that possible.) . -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Deb Pradipta removed the "page needed" tags in four edits between 11:15 and 11:16, 7 November 2023‎ (UTC). All these references refer to the entire book and not to any page.
 * Deb Pradipta removed the "page needed" tags in five edits between 14:52 and 15:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC). Page numbers of all books have been added. (Note that the page numbers added were the numbers of pages in the book; i.e. not the requested information.)
 * Bozz aldrin removed the "page needed" tags in five edits between 02:10 and 03:07, 11 November 2023‎ (UTC). Reference information correction.
 * Bozz aldrin removed the "page needed" tags in four edits between 08:30 and 08:41, 11 November 2023‎ (UTC). All the references of the book are given page needed will not be given here Toddy1

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * , though unsure of what actions to take since CU is requested in this case. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 03:41, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @0xDeadbeef: You're free (and invited) to block as you please irrespective of outstanding CU requests if you think there are grounds to do so. Going by the letter of the rules, it's somewhat ambiguous whether you also get to close the case, since administrators "may not: [...] decline a CheckUser request [...]" (WP:SPI/P), but in practice people generally won't mind you going from an open CU request to closing after a DUCK block. It can still be a good idea to leave the request in place if there is e.g. a history of sleepers, and you always have the option of just keeping the status as is and having a clerk decide. --Blablubbs (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 15:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ,, leaving request open per Girth Summit's comment in the last case. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 15:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bozz aldrin is to Srabanta Deb and ✅ to . Additionally,  is also ✅ to the master. I'll block, tag, and tack the two new ones onto the lock request. Closing.  --Blablubbs (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Srabanta Deb finds it unacceptable that there should be page needed tags against citations to books at Santadas Kathiababa. (See previous SPI report) IP editor 103.253.45.183 and new account Rozz Taile have exactly the same view.

Rozz Taile has also used Template:Infobox Wikipedia user, just like Srabanta Deb, Deb Pradipta and Bozz aldrin. He/she did not bother to check the wikilinks that he/she put in it, but then Srabanta Deb never bothered to check whether citations he gave mentioned the stuff he cited them for.

I think these two pass the duck test. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC) -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅, blocked, tagged, lock requested. . --Blablubbs (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * /24 blocked for a week. Closing. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 07:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Interaction editor - all named socks

After Srabanta Deb's previous sockpuppet account was blocked, he/she tried logged-out editing at Ramdas Kathiababa with IP 58.145.187.238, IP 202.86.223.187 and IP 202.181.19.254. But his/her edits got reverted by Materialscientist, who protected the page because the IP editors kept adding unsourced or poorly sourced content.
 * Killz Gough

IP 202.181.19.254 also posted on User talk:Materialscientist, User talk:Thryduulf and User talk:Jc37 concerning Santadas Kathiababa.

But he/she found that images of Santadas Kathiababa, etc. posted by his/her previous sockpuppets started to be deleted from Commons, so he/she created a new sockpuppet account Killz Gough, whose contribution history on commons shows shows that he/she has uploaded pictures to do with Santadas Kathiababa, Ramdas Kathiababa, and Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa; all of which were topics of interest to Srabanta Deb and his/her socks. One of the uploaded files is c:File:Santadas_Kathiababa.jpg, the previous version of which was deleted on Commons by Krd on 13-14 November. (The metadata in the new version of this file revealed that Srabanta Deb has a Samsung Galaxy M31 [SM-M315F]).

Killz Gough has used Template:Infobox Wikipedia user, just like Srabanta Deb, Deb Pradipta, Bozz aldrin, Rozz Taile and Gc Ray.

Killz Gough made ten edits to English-language Wikipedia during a 20 minute period on 17 November; he/she has evidently understood WP:AUTOCONFIRM. The Killz Gough account cannot make edits to Santadas Kathiababa or Ramdas Kathiababa because they require autoconfirmed or confirmed access. He/she has so far made one edit to Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa adding an image that he/she uploaded on Commons. Srabanta Deb has a history of editing articles related to anything Kathiababa.
 * Deb Pradipta, Bozz aldrin, and Killz Gough all edited Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa.timeline
 * Srabanta Deb and Killz Gough both edited Radha Krishna.timeline

Special:CentralAuth/Killz Gough shows Srabanta Deb socks' usual pattern of being attached to many Wikis. -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Confusion of centuries: -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Santadas Kathiababa was born in 1859, and Srabanta Deb thinks that 1859 was in the 18th-Century. So if you look at deleted versions of articles on Santadas Kathiababa created by Srabanta Deb under different article names, you will see that Srabanta Deb initially put them in 18th-Century categories.
 * Killz Gough makes a similar mistake; Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa lived from 1901 to 1983, and he thinks those dates were in the 19th-Century, and therefore puts Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa in 19th-Century categories.
 * On Commons Killz Gough claims that Ramdas Kathiababa was an 18th Century figure (he allegedly lived from 1800 to 1901) - see c:Category:Ramdas Kathiababa.

c:File:Vamsidas Babaji Photographer Pradipta Deb.jpg is an image uploaded by Killz Gough as their own work - notice that the name of the photographer is given as "Pradipta Deb", which is the same name that Srabanta Deb said was his real name. "Photographer Pradipta Deb" can be seen in the picture caption on Vamsidas Babaji -- Toddy1 (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Gc Ray

Killz Gough uploaded c:File:Santadas Kathiababa Maharaj India Vrindavan at Kathiababa Temple 1925.jpg to Commons at 05:55, 17 November 2023‎ (UTC), Then Gc Ray added it to the infobox of Santadas Kathiababa at 07:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC). How did he/she know about it so quickly?

Killz Gough uploaded c:File:Ramdas Kathiababa Maharaj Nimbarka Sampradaya 54th Acharya.jpg at 06:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Then, in set of four edits at 07:14-07:35, 17 November 2023‎ (UTC) Gc Ray added it to the infobox of Ramdas Kathiababa. How did he/she know about it so quickly?

The Gc Ray account acts as a page-move account for recent Srabanta Deb's sock accounts. (If you look at the article histories for deleted versions of Santadas Kathiababa/Santa Das Kathiababa/Santadasji Kathia Baba/Swami Santa Dasji Kathiababa, you will see that Srabanta Deb liked adding a page move to the history of these pages; presumably to confuse other editors.) I believe that the reason for wanting a different account to make the moves was to create the illusion that a third-party account had reviewed the draft articles.
 * Gc Ray moved page Draft:Vamsidas Babaji to Vamsidas Babaji. This is a page created by Killz Gough. article history
 * Gc Ray moved page Draft:Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa to Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa. Note contributions by Deb Pradipta, Bozz aldrin, and Killz Gough.article history
 * Gc Ray moved page Draft:Ranadash Gupta to Ranadash Gupta. This is an article created by Deb Pradipta.article history Gc Ray initially messed up the move by moving to User:Ranadash Gupta; I believe that Srabanta Deb once made the same mistake (of moving to User:) with one of his page moves.

Gc Ray has used Template:Infobox Wikipedia user, just like Srabanta Deb, Deb Pradipta, Bozz aldrin, Rozz Taile and Killz Gough.

At first sight, Gc Ray appears to be capable of creating competently cited articles, such as Historical Brahminism.article history I initially thought that this was evidence that he/she was not Srabanta Deb, but then I noticed that what he/she did was to adapt stuff he/she copied from Historical Vedic religion.

There is one piece of evidence that suggests that they are different. Global contributions for Gc Ray and Killz Gough for 17 November 2023 have them both making edits between 07:14 and 07:16 (UTC). This is possible but difficult since Gc Ray was logged in to English Wikipedia, whilst Killz Gough made edits to sa. ne. and or. Wikipedias. -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: I reverted all the page moves by User:Gc Ray. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding User:Gc Ray
Hello, I am Aftabuzzaman from bnwiki, also sysop there. "User:Gc Ray" is a Bengali wiki contributor & made good amount of edit there. As far i saw there, the user isn't vandal, abuser etc. The user mostly interested in articles related to hinduism. I don't belive User:Gc Ray is a sock. My guess is, he is friend with Srabanta Deb on facebook, communicating via messenger, telegram etc & Srabanta Deb is asking him to do those mentions by User:Toddy1. Most like User:Gc Ray is not aware of WP:MEAT.

Bengali Wikipedia is small wiki & we don't have thousand of editors like enwiki. It will be unfortunate if we lose an active editor on bnwiki (assuming if he gets a block here on enwiki, steward will block him also globally). My request would be, please give him a warning at most. I will also warn him & explain the rules. Thanks :) -- আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @আফতাবুজ্জামান These cases tend to be decided with technical CU evidence, if there is indeed evidence of socking, both the editors will be blocked. That being said @Toddy1's claim of This is possible but difficult since Gc Ray was logged in to English Wikipedia, whilst Killz Gough made edits to sa. ne. and or. Wikipedias. does not seem likely, and based purely on the behavioural evidence WP:MEAT (or WP:SHAREDACCOUNT) seems like a plausible explanation.
 * Wrt to WP:GLOCKs in relation to socking, it is best to bring this up with the Stewards who might have a better picture due to their ability to perform a Checkuser across multiple wikis. Sohom (talk) 14:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding User:Killz Gough

 * Comment I came here to report Killz Gough and found that this SPI case had already been filed. Very similar editing subjects to Deb Pradipta. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: On 30 November, Killz Gough created the page Ranadash Gupta, which Srabanta Deb had previously created. The page had been deleted in violation of a block. Killz Gough also re-added sections to Ramdas Kathiababa that Srabanta Deb had added and had been deleted due to inadequate sourcing (see Killz Gough's edit vs. Srabanta Deb's edit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Significa liberdade (talk • contribs) 04:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * thank you for the detailed filing, be it a tad verbose. Try to include your three strongest pieces of evidence, and then supply more if requested. is ✅ to the master.  is ❌, but off-wiki coordination seems very likely to me, so I've left them a strict warning about meatpuppetry.  blocked, tagged, and lock requested.  is now banned per WP:3X. Closing. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
There's a long-term pattern of abuse from this range, especially on the article Santadas Kathiababa, that looks very similar to previous blocked socks such as User:Killz Gough.

Here are some diffs for comparison:
 * diff 1 by Killz Gough
 * diff 2 by Killz Gough
 * diff 3 by 58.145.184.234
 * diff 4 by 58.145.184.246

A common trait found in diffs 1, 3 and 4 is the removal of the references and further reading lists at the bottom of the article.

In diffs 1, 2 and 3, maintenance tags like "citation needed" and "clarification needed" and even inline references, are removed. Overall, one common trait here is the removal of inline reference tags.

In diffs 1 and 4, the lead section is shortened by almost the same amount.

Overall, I am fairly confident the person behind the 58.145.184.0/23 IP range is the same as the person behind Srabanta Deb and their sock accounts. — AP 499D25  (talk)  08:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I put all the similar-looking individual IP addresses starting with 58.145.* that have edited the article into the range calculator, and got the IP range 58.145.184.0/23. So blocking that range would cover all of those individual IP addresses neatly. — AP 499D25  (talk)  08:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * If not already mentioned: These two look suspicious. 58.145.185.244 and 58.145.184.250 Bringingthewood (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * No comment on who may or may not be using the IP range, but I've semi-protected the article for a while, which should take care of any disruptive editing from IPs. Spicy (talk) 12:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
I think this is more likely to be a meatpuppet than a sockpuppet, but who knows.

Srabanta Deb and his/her socks removed "page needed" tags that I placed next to citations to books in the article on Santadas Kathiababa, and Harvici does too.
 * Deb Pradipta (sock of Srabanta Deb)
 * Bozz aldrin (sock of Srabanta Deb)
 * Harvici

It is fascinating the disingenuous series of edits he/she made: The first one made it look as though he/she was continuing Bringingthewood's efforts to revert IP sock edits, but it was immediately followed by an edit that did a more thorough version of the IP sock's edit. -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC) -- Toddy1 (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * (Reverted 1 edit by 58.145.184.234 (talk) to last revision by Bringingthewood)
 * (Clearing out vandalism)
 * Harvici has been trying to game the system to get extended confirmed rights. See User talk:Harvici. -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I would like to make it clear that I indeed removed the page-needed tags, as in the first place I didn't know what they meant. As they were placed in an absurd amount all over the article and I, being new, didn't know their purpose, I determined them to be a part of vandalism. As of today, I know what "page needed tags". Harvici  ( talk ) 12:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And for User talk:Harvici it is a dead link as I by mistake removed it during my attempt to know how to archive the discussion and I tried to reverting it back but I couldn't, if you want to see it | look here.Thanks  Harvici  ( talk ) 12:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And I don't mind getting checked Harvici  ( talk ) 16:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I've dealt with this user before and while some of their editing is problematic I do not get the impression that they are a sock of Srabanta Deb. They also haven't shown up in any of the checks I have run on this case. . Spicy (talk) 15:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Hindu Sanskriti has recreated the article on Dhananjay Das Kathiababa. This is an article that Srabanta Deb and his/her socks have often created under different names. It has been deleted at AFD three times: Dhananjaya Dasa Kathiyababa, Dhananjay Das Kathiababa Dhananjaya Das Kathiababa - notice how he/she likes to use slightly different spellings to evade scrutiny. In creating articles, Srabanta Deb likes to do a page move, which creates a redirect. In this case, he/she created the article at 05:50, 5 March 2024‎ (UTC), and did the page move as the fifth edit at 05:54, 5 March 2024‎ (UTC).

Hindu Sanskriti did 15 edits in 33 minutes on 29 February 2024 presumably to get autoconfirmed - and in one of them removed the maintenance templates without solving the problems. Srabanta Deb has a history of removing maintenance templates. -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC) -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * See below. Spicy (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( originally filed under this user)


 * Namings are similar and are created 3 days apart - 26 Feb and 29 Feb
 * Both tried to change the birth date on Santadas Kathiababa Interaction Timeline
 * Behavioral evidence: User:Hindu Historic was reverted and warned for making an unsourced addition on Santadas Kathiababa. The same content was restored with a source by User:Hindu Sanskriti on the same day diff vs diff Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * ✅ to each other and to


 * Rozz Taile is blocked as a sock of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Srabanta Deb. I see that Hindu Historic has already been filed there. I'll merge the cases. Spicy (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ,, closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Olaitan Kiltan was created on 12 March 2024. Their first edit was to create a user page using some templates (i.e. this is someone who has edited Wikipedia before). They then made seven edits to the article on Santadas Kathiababa, the topic that Srabanta Deb is obsessed with.

Their edits (1) removed page needed tags, and (2) the reference improve tag. Srabanta Deb hates those tags (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srabanta Deb/Archive).

One of their edits restored the following junk citation added by sock account Thisyer bot. Note that if you check the Telegraph India article it does not have Santadas Kathia Baba Ashram in either the title or the article. It seem unlikely that an independent person would have added the same irrelevant citation with the same fake title. -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC) -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Clearly a sock as they have indicated it is a clean start. But clean start does not apply for users with active bans/blocks.Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ., . Spicy (talk) 12:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)