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09 November 2013

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On 21 August, user Strangesad was indefinitely blocked from editing. She announced her intention to sockpuppet on 24 August on her user page.. The same day Strangesad was blocked, the account Beyondallmeaning made its first edit. On 7 November Beyondallmeaning created a new section on the talk page of the Jesus article, saying that the statement in the article that "virtually all scholars" agree he existed should not be sourced to "reverends" but to historians. This is exactly the same argument that Strangesad made over and over and over for months, just for one example out of many, see " most of the sources have a theological background not a historical one", exactly the same argument, almost identical wording over exactly the same statement in the same article. Beyondallmeaning is also already making the same argument repeatedly in the same section in the same manner Strangesad did, compare for instance the section "More historians, fewer reverends" started by Beyondallmeaning on the Jesus talk page with the section "Historicity" started by Strangesad on a now archived page of the same article.. Beyondallmeaning has the same abrupt way of responding to criticism or questioning as Strangesad, compare "I made neither of these assumptions" of Beyondallmeaning with Strangesad's "You lost me with my losing you. I don't think there's no difference between a religion professor and a priest". I had extensive dealings with Strangesad, I am sure Beyondallmeaning is the same (indefinitely blocked) user, I recognise both the style and the content of the edits as the same. I have no idea how you investigate these things or if a checkuser would be valuable, but I do request checkuser and any other way of clearing this up as soon as possible. Thanks Smeat75 (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Beyondallmeaning says below "I comment on articles that are nominated for the main page, or mentioned on the nominations Talk page. That's how I cam to the Jesus article and all the articles I've been editing lately" but s/he made an edit to the Christ Myth theory article today and that article is not a FA so could not have been nominated for the main page. That edit says "One reason to question the neutrality of the article is that the first 4 sources in the lede--forming the basis and introduction of the concept--come from one critic (Van Voorst). I doubt the article Jesus could be introduced primarily by Satanist sources" which is uncannily similar to a repeated objection of indefinitely blocked user Strangesad on various articles to do with Jesus, for instance  "Van Voorst's Wikipedia page descibes him as a pastor. A pastor is not in a position to be objective about the historical reality of Jesus."Smeat75 (talk) 22:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Jesus linked to the other article. Beyondallmeaning (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you King of Hearts and Reaper Eternal, I knew it, but what happens now? Is the report automatically referred to an admin who will block the sockpuppet?Smeat75 (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not sure what to make of this. I comment on articles that are nominated for the main page, or mentioned on the nominations Talk page. That's how I cam to the Jesus article and all the articles I've been editing lately. I'm also not the only one saying the sources need to be more neutral.. Beyondallmeaning (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Not a duck but definitely strong evidence. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * They are ✅ to be the same user. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Beyondallmeaning blocked indef, master already blocked, closing now. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)