Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Strategicasian/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
All focus on Koreans in China or Chaoxianzu articles.

In Zh-Wikipedia's zh:Wikipedia:傀儡調查/案件/Washington_G8603（SPI page）, both Oakwoodic and Strategicasian directly promote similar view and act similar artilce (zh:中國朝鮮族 and zh:Talk:朝鲜民族). Since 2020, there've been sock puppetry in zh:Talk:朝鲜民族.

All these accounts have been consistently promoting an (erronous) view that Chaoxianzu/Cháoxiǎnzú (朝鲜族) only refers to Chinese Korean minority. Howerver, there're many materials that use 朝鲜族/Chaoxianzu to refer to other Korean minorities in other countries, for example 乌兹别克斯坦朝鲜族（Uzbekistan cháoxiǎnzú/Korean minority）, 哈萨克斯坦朝鲜族（Kazakhstani Koreans）. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kethyga (talk • contribs) 07:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah sad :( was hoping @StrategicAsian would fix up the Chaoxianzu page.
 * For the record, to my knowledge the term "Chaoxianzu" is used differently in Chinese and English. In Chinese I think the term is used more broadly than it is in English. I don't know if there's an equivalent term in Chinese for Koryo-saram, but in English we call the Central Asian Koreans who descend from the 1937 forced deportation population Koryo-saram.
 * Either way I support the sockpuppet investigation. Maybe I'll get around to trying to fix up the Chaoxianzu page... toobigtokale (talk) 05:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Strategicasian's first edit in EN-wikipedia was Koreans in China on 2023-10-20 (Special:Diff/1180863786/1181020408), Oakwoodic's first edit in Zh-wikipedia is zh:朝鲜民族（en:Koreans） (zh:Special:Diff/79427961/79428106) on 2023-10-19.

In articles, zh:中國朝鮮族 (zh:Special:Diff/80004156/80018985) and en:Chaoxianzu (en:Special:Diff/1181369963/1181686203), both Oakwoodic and Strategicasian add the same reference , and the reference was added to zh:Talk:中國朝鮮族 (zh:Special:Diff/59865082/63486185) by a blocked sock-puppet of Washington_G8603.

Strategicasian, Washington G8603,and Oakwoodic all can read/write in Chinese, Korean, English, Japanese, (please check their global contributions).

Oakwoodic and Strategicasian have been blocked for abusing Sockpuppetry according to editing contributions in Zh-wikipedia. Kethyga (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.


 * 1st, according to their identical view, "Chaoxianzu is their OFFICIAL Chinese name" by Leumonia (Special:Diff/1182469813/1182470687) vs "Furthermore, "Korean Chinese’ is not the official name for ‘Chaoxianzu" by Oakwoodic (Talk:Chaoxianzu in Korea (en:Special:Diff/1182469813/1182469813)) with "known officially as Chaoxianzu (朝鲜族)" by Strategicasian in en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaoxianzu (1188764572).
 * 2nd, Leumonia's time of appearance. Chaoxianzu in Korea was created on 2023-10-21. Only Oakwoodic and Strategicasian are none-WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED users. When Toobigtokale proposed to rename the article on 2023-10-29, suddenly Leumonia appeared in the talk page on 2023-10-29.
 * 3rd, both Strategicasian and Oakwoodic edited artilces relating to Chaoxianzu (中国朝鲜族, meaning:"Korean minority in China") in En, Zh, Ko, Ja-wikipedias at a relatively close time.


 * 4th, Strategicasian's posts in User_talk:Oakwoodic and User_talk:Leumonia is a likely Canvassing, as they hold similar views.


 * 5th, Oakwoodic and Strategicasian like to use first-hand sources as references in firm-related articles, such as Special:Diff/1187054493/1187358946 (by Oakwoodic in American Express) and Special:Diff/1006073034/1182914896 (by Strategicasian in Chiyoda Corporation)


 * As to the meta-wiki checkuser, steward (Sotiale) said "It may be because one user edited WP on mobile". Kethyga (talk) 14:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In addressing Chinese user Kethyga's assertions, I would like to formally state that the evidence presented is insufficient and lacks substantiation. The accusation appears to be predicated on a selective interpretation of contributions, primarily focusing on content that some individuals may find objectionable. However, engaging in editorial activities on topics related to Koreans, prominent Asian universities, and referencing official government websites discovered through standard Google searches does not constitute proof of identity with an account that ceased its activities approximately 4-5 years ago.
 * My involvement is entirely independent, as clearly evidenced by the distinct differences in IP addresses. Moreover, the nature of my contributions has been grossly misinterpreted and falsely portrayed. The assertion that my edits are part of a calculated effort to misrepresent overseas Koreans as an integral part of the Chinese populace, or to inappropriately integrate Korean culture into Chinese culture, is not only unfounded but also suggests an ulterior motive akin to that of a dictatorial agenda.
 * This misrepresentation of my editorial intentions is not only factually incorrect but also undermines the principles of objective and unbiased content creation on collaborative platforms like Wikipedia. It is crucial to distinguish between editorial content that seeks to inform and enrich public knowledge from content that is alleged to serve a specific, misleading agenda. My contributions have been consistently aimed at providing accurate, well-researched information, free from any form of cultural or nationalistic bias.
 * In conclusion, the allegations put forth lack a logical basis and fail to provide concrete evidence linking my current activities to other user's and any past accounts which is not mine. It is essential to adhere to a standard of evidence-based accusations, particularly in a community-driven platform where integrity and accuracy are paramount. Thank you. Oakwoodic (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Korea is a country situated between Japan and China, and many of its people are fluent in English, as well as Chinese and Japanese. I am confident that it is unjust to launch personal attacks and conduct a dictatorial-style public trial with no objective evidence, merely based on the similarity of editing famous interests such as attempts by China to subordinate Korean culture and famous Asian universities. I have the right to freedom of speech, and I am under no obligation to echo the views of Chinese users hundred percent. Oakwoodic (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Chaoxianzu (朝鲜族/조선족/Joseonjok) is a term established by the Communist Party of China between 1949 and 1954, specifically designated to identify an ethnic minority within China who hold Chinese citizenship. However, there is a concerning trend where this term is being applied to Korean individuals in countries outside China, such as Uzbekistan. This practice, notably by some Chinese Wikipedia users, raises questions about neutrality and accuracy. Objectively speaking, the labeling of all overseas Koreans as part of the Chinese population is inappropriate and should be ceased. They identify themselves as Korean (高丽人/고려인/韩人/한인), not Chaoxianzu. The subtle attempt to unify Koreans in Uzbekistan and elsewhere under the Chaoxianzu label, thereby categorizing all people of Korean descent, including those abroad, as part of the Chinese minority, is a form of malicious editing. This has been used to personally attack and stalk individuals, and it is a stance that is unlikely to garner sympathy from the broader non-Wikipedia Chinese and Korean communities. Therefore, such arguments lack both objectivity and logical foundation. Oakwoodic (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * In what way does Leumonia have anything to do with this? Evidence please? See also meta:Special:Diff/25943168, Oakwoodic and Strategicasian are found to be unrelated. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 13:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * is to ; there's also
 * who shares several interests with the farm and is indeffed as Washington_G8603 on zhwiki. As for the rest:
 * is
 * is to the three non-stale ones
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, template use by CUs varies, but the situation Sotiale describes on Meta in writing (i.e. two people who don't have an obvious technical relationship but this may simply be explained by one individual accessing two networks) is something that would probably be called possible in enwiki-speak – that's why I checked despite the meta result, and local data indeed draws a stronger connection. --Blablubbs (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, nice. Thanks for the confirmation and clarification to Sotiale's statement! 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 17:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Checkusers can find my notes here. --Blablubbs (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged obvious sock Leumonia (not noting the evidence here per beans), Washington is stale so they probably won't resurface, IP hasn't edited since 2 months ago. Closing. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 03:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Checkusers can find my notes here. --Blablubbs (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged obvious sock Leumonia (not noting the evidence here per beans), Washington is stale so they probably won't resurface, IP hasn't edited since 2 months ago. Closing. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 03:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Account created shortly after User:Leumonia was blocked, with a focus on the Chaoxianzu (ethnic Koreans of China). The account has previously joined edit war on jawiki to support Strategicasian.

Auroradio's first edit here was to write a lengthy post at Talk:Chaoxianzu that strongly resembles Strategicasian's arguments earlier. The user seems to be pushing the same agenda on rejecting, or at least de-emphasizing the Koreanness of the Chaoxianzu. All accounts have similar language styles in their talk page messages (likely from using chatbots, ). Like the other accounts, Auroradio is also active on the Japanese Wikipedia and shows some degree of capability in Korean and Chinese languages. Esiymbro (talk) 15:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
 * I had the exact same suspicion. toobigtokale (talk) 04:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I suspect User:Malgunbyeol to be another account of this user. They just joined in the same talk post (Talk:Chaoxianzu), have a similar writing style to other posts (lengthy, grammar issues), and expressing very similar views to other posts. Account created around 20 minutes before this post; they edited the Chinju National University of Education page just before this talk post. toobigtokale (talk) 11:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why I'm suspected as a 'sockpuppet'. He/she is not the same person as me. I'm not even sure how can I prove this. And yes, I edited the 'CNUE' page yesterday. But referring to me as ‘them’ is inaccurate. Because I'm not belonged to any other company or group. Malgunbyeol (talk) 12:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I used 'them' as a general pronoun because I don't know your gender. It does not mean I suspect you are multiple people. toobigtokale (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it. I admit there was a confusion. But the thing is I'm not a same person as 'them'. Malgunbyeol (talk) 06:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've seen the concerns about me possibly being a sockpuppet, and I want to clear things up. First off, I'm not the person you're thinking of. I get why my activities might look suspicious, especially given my focus on Korean Chinese and the timing of my account creation. But, here's the thing - just because I share some interests and even language skills with someone else, doesn't make me them. I can speak Japanese, and Korean fluently, but I don't speak Chinese. There are plenty of people who are like me and I think that article is quite famous. This alone should hint that I'm not the same person as those other accounts you're mentioning. People can have similar views or editing styles for a variety of reasons that don't involve them being the same person. Thx. Auroradio (talk) 11:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding the idea that this is a well-known article, it has received approximately ten total views per day since it was created in October. Dekimasu よ! 03:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You also don't address the fact that Malgunbyeol was created seemingly expressly to comment on the move request. Sure, the Malgunbyeol account edited one other page about a university just before the talk page, but it only left a period of 20 minutes from account creation until the comment there. That's not just a small coincidence, it falls into a consistent pattern of sockpuppeting behavior surrounding this topic that only has minor to moderate attention otherwise. toobigtokale (talk) 05:46, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I made an account to edit a university page, and about Korean Chinese is just a coincidence. I'm just interested in overall field of education. I'm not only interested in Korean education, but also second language education and multicultural education.
 * This is a youtube link that I watched before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waRz9ACbgWU&ab_channel=KBSNews
 * It's about Joseonjok and language education.
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWKTjvHGNIY&ab_channel=%EC%B1%84%EB%84%90A%EB%89%B4%EC%8A%A4
 * This is an another youtube link related to this topic.
 * It's hard to understand this history makes you suspicious of me, but I swear to god that I'm not a same person as them. Malgunbyeol (talk) 11:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * These channels are reliable because KBS is state media in Korea. 'Channel A News' is reliable channel too. Anyways, I've scrolled some articles after I edited the university page, and I randomly clicked that page which is in controversy. I didn't expect that this argument would matter to some people that much. Malgunbyeol (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ...You landed on that page within 20 minutes of account creation and make extremely similar grammar errors and have the same wandering writing style to the other user.
 * I don't buy it. As I said on the talk page, I regret that I tried being nice to you in the past.
 * I will watch the Korean Chinese related pages carefully from now on. If I ever suspect you've created yet another account to edit those pages again, I will report it. toobigtokale (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This includes versions of those pages on other language Wikipedias by the way. toobigtokale (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There may be more than one editor who has gotten involved here, but I still believe it makes sense to check this against the Strategicasian account due to the evidence of cross-wiki POV pushing. Dekimasu よ! 03:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've assessed the consensus on the move request as moved based on the premise that the accounts listed in this SPI, who have cast the only two oppose !votes, are sockpuppets. NasssaNsertalk 04:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I was just about to take this directly to WP:ANI. This edit to Chaoxianzu in Japan added a copyright violation to that article, but I am treating myself as an involved editor since I first touched that article a few days ago and don't want to appear to be imposing a preferred version of the article by deleting the intervening diffs myself. I would appreciate if someone could clean up the diffs when this is being handled. If not involved I would be performing a WP:DUCK block of the Auroradio account. Dekimasu よ! 10:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The same account has readded the content from those articles in reworded form, so history cleanup is still needed. Although the new version is no longer the same as the direct machine translation from Korean, it still appears to be improper paraphrasing that also directly copies the distinct order of the sources (creation of a "society", followed by cultural event organization, COVID volunteering, then particular examples of specific articles said to have been written by particular reporters). Dekimasu よ! 15:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I find the CU evidence to be very likely, and coupled with the topic overlap and behavioral evidence, I've . if you wanna check behind me, but it seemed pretty obvious from behavioral alone. -- ferret (talk) 12:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 16:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC)