Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Suthasianhistorian8/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
See below. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Based on a discretionary check. Everyone here is ✅ to one another and editing in the same topic area of Sikhism. I've got a little offwiki evidence here as well, happy to email it to reviewing CUs. . GeneralNotability (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Suthasianhistorian8 was indefinitely blocked on 20:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC). A new account Takshak24 was created on 07:52, 1 June 2022. The catch is the similarity in the use of citation template which one of the sock of Suthasianhistorian8 has used before as Kamhiri. What is significant about the similarity is the citation template which is not only from same author but also the detail such as edition=3rd and the orig-date=1937 which Kamhiri specifically added and this new account Takshak24 has used exact same detail.

Kamhiri use of specific citation template: Takshak24 use of same specific citation template:

Last communication from Suthasianhistorian8 was on 02:47, 1 June 2022. So an account created couple of hours after and then making use of exact same specifics within citation template, seems like they are same. MehmoodS (talk) 01:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ❌, insufficient behavioral grounds for a behavioral block. Closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
and on Hinduism in Australia see here, and
 * JaleRosetta account was created on February 15, 2023 and jumped right into editing articles Hinduism in Canada and Hinduism in Australia, with description and source templates, clearly indicating that the user isn't new. See here . You can also see these edits here for comparison of both accounts JaleRosetta and Suthasianhistorian8 which overlaps one another with focus on Khalistan extremists and Attack on Hindu Community. On article Hinduism in Canada,  not just same style of wordings but even the templates for source have same exact format. You can see here the comparison, , ,
 * Suthasianhistorian8 was blocked before on May 30, 2022 for sockpuppetry with 13 accounts but after 6 months, on December 30, 2022 his appeal was accepted and unblocked.. Suthasianhistorian8 is also very careful when using both accounts. While account Suthasianhistorian8 seems to be using a PC/laptop, JaleRosetta account is used through mobile and this is purposely done to evade suspicion.


 * PetersonBraide, JoshuaClark9990, AnoopTJoseph, ClaraFisher


 * All these accounts have common editing style, same use of template format, same style of editing, same focus on topic, same articles that overlap, and all these just like JaleRosetta use mobile edits to prevent detection or suspicion from master account Suthasianhistorian8 which purposely avoids to use mobile edits for this account only.
 * PetersonBraide account created on October 2, 2022. See similarity of edit with Suthasianhistorian8.


 * JoshuaClark9990 account was created on September 15, 2022. See similarity of edit


 * AnoopTJoseph account was created on November 10, 2022. See similarity of edit


 * These accounts have been very cleverly orchestrated to evade suspicion. Very strong suspicion that these accounts belong to Suthasianhistorian8. Three of these accounts were created during the 6 month period when Suthasianhistorian8 was blocked for sockpuppetry. All these sock accounts also have same fashion of naming with capitalized first name and capitalized second name.


 * ClaraFisher
 * ClaraFisher account was created on January 12, 2023. This account was blocked for disruptive editing but a checkuser wasn't run and I strongly believe this account and all the above belong to master sock of Suthasianhistorian8. See similarity of edit


 * Notice the similarities on how both Suthasianhistorian8 and ClaraFisher use the word "unsubstantiated" in their comment. See here ,

Duck behavior is overwhelming.Jaagit (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC) Jaagit (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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The user who filed this report is almost certainly a sockpuppet of HaughtonBrit, please see, or possibly some other users I've disagreed with in the past and would love to see me off the platform. In any case, I don't deny that those accounts are possibly linked to each other, but they have zero connection to me, which I'm sure the SPI will ascertain. Also the the nature of their edits are unsurprising to say the least, anyone familiar with what the group Sikhs for Justice, among others, have been doing in Canada, Australia, the UK etc for the past year would know there has been an apalling and disturbing hate campagin against that particular religious group, completed with the defacement of numerous temples, provocative and inflammatory hate signs put on public property, and more. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , feel free to conduct a check on my account. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 22:01, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It's prudent to point out a few things here
 * 1) The filer is without any shadow of a dobut HaughtonBrit/WorldWikiAuthorOriginal block evading yet again, for the umpteenth time. It's impossible to track him because he changes his IP as frequently as possible. He was recently hounding me here, which led to the page being protected for the third time on the 13th. Irony has died a thousand deaths when someone is accusing me of sockpuppetry when they themselves have created more accounts than I have, abused them for a far longer duration, and evaded numerous indefinite blocks, as opposed to my one. A dead giveaway that this is HaughtonBrit is how similarily this SPI is structured and worded as compared to my April 15th SPI on him , mine starting with Javerine's first edit suggests that he was not a new user at the time [110], as he seems to invoke sock-puppetry right away. and his jumped right into editing articles Hinduism in Canada and Hinduism in Australia, with description and source templates, clearly indicating that the user isn't new., ending with my The duck behavior is overwhelming. with his Duck behaviour is overwhelming. HaughtonBrit has a disposition to incorporate words in my lexicon, using the word "blunder" twice to describe his use of multiple accounts , which is what I did previously in my November 2022 unblock request + and . I also find it interesting that this user is just now deciding to file a SPI on me, given that nearly a month has transpired since my first edit on the page Hinduism in Canada-, and the fact that we have interacted numerous times since then. What I'm sure spurred this SPI is my edits on the page Khalsa-, which I believe upset him enough to make this report, in an attempt to prevent me from making any more edits he considers displeasing. I, however, stand by those edits given the veracity of the content and the sources used to back them up. I think it's imperative Wikipedia challenges these permeating ahsitorical pop narratives, even if they are a source of comfort for many.
 * 2) Suthasianhistorian8 is also very careful when using both accounts. While account Suthasianhistorian8 seems to be using a PC/laptop, JaleRosetta account is used through mobile and this is purposely done to evade suspicion.
 * My lack of editing through a mobile phone is certainly not a recent or unique development. I have been editing since 2021, and have very, very rarely used my phone to edit throughout my account's existence. This was true back in 2021, in 2022 while I had numerous sock accounts, and in 2023. I may have made 10-20 edits out of my 2000+ through a phone, but always relegated it to fixing minor grammar mistakes or making a revert. I have never added blocks of text on the mainspace through a phone (why would I when I have access to a computer?). Conversely, some people edit primarily or exclusively through a phone. The filer cites these supposed incidents of me making an effort to distinguish my editing patterns from that of these accounts, yet bases much of this SPI on supposed editing similarities. So which one is it? Am I trying to demarcate myself from these accounts or not?
 * 3) Duck behavior is overwhelming.
 * I will concur that JaleRosetta and ClaraFisher are 100% the same person. The other 3 accounts are likely JR/CF as well (most likely a result of the person forgetting their password or possibly feigning support for their edits.) The filer claims their edits which occured while I was blocked is evidence that I'm behind these accounts. However, this is hardly the first time a new editor has added content pertaining to unfolding conflicts or conterversial incidents. This person was clearly and justifably distraught at the attacks towards his community (as most people would be) and chose to use Wikipedia to bring light to these incidents. Again, hardly a first. I have been editing Hindu-Sikh related pages for the past 2 years now, so it was inevitable that at some point I would be involved in enumerating some of the recent attacks that have taken place (almost all of which took place over the past year and are continuing even to this day).
 * 4) I have told JaleRosetta 3 times now to exclude 3 incidents that he added, , as they are clearly not attacks or noteworthy. Unlike the filer - , I have no affinity in initiating or engaging in fake conversations with myself and I fail to see how doing so would benefit me in any way whatsoever. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I am a checkuser, not a clerk. This case is currently awaiting a clerk to endorse or decline the request. As an opinion only, I suggest this may be suitable for a checkuser; that is, I think this could be endorsed. --Yamla (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I've blocked Jaagit as an obvious sock. No legitimate new user find their way to SPI on their first edit.  Given that, I'm closing this with no action.  Any editor in good standing is free to file a new report, but we're not going to entertain SPI reports from socks. RoySmith (talk) 00:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
I was originally going to submit this request but another user beat me to it while I was going through study material on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. But the request was denied as the submission was by someone who was possibly a sock. I intend to pursue this investigation because there is fairly strong evidence to be looked at which I noticed as well when going through some articles such as Hinduism in Australia or Hinduism in Canada. I am copying and pasting the original request as it’s sufficient information to be looked at and I too find these informations worth noting for investigation purposes. I hope I have submitted this request correctly. Just to be clear I have no animosity over any of these editors but it is necessary to clear skeptical activities which could be concerning on Wikipedia.

and on Hinduism in Australia see here, and
 * JaleRosetta account was created on February 15, 2023 and jumped right into editing articles Hinduism in Canada and Hinduism in Australia, with description and source templates, clearly indicating that the user isn't new. See here . You can also see these edits here for comparison of both accounts JaleRosetta and Suthasianhistorian8 which overlaps one another with focus on Khalistan extremists and Attack on Hindu Community. On article Hinduism in Canada,  not just same style of wordings but even the templates for source have same exact format. You can see here the comparison, , ,
 * Suthasianhistorian8 was blocked before on May 30, 2022 for sockpuppetry with 13 accounts but after 6 months, on December 30, 2022 his appeal was accepted and unblocked.. Suthasianhistorian8 is also very careful when using both accounts. While account Suthasianhistorian8 seems to be using a PC/laptop, JaleRosetta account is used through mobile and this is purposely done to evade suspicion.


 * PetersonBraide, JoshuaClark9990, AnoopTJoseph, ClaraFisher


 * All these accounts have common editing style, same use of template format, same style of editing, same focus on topic, same articles that overlap, and all these just like JaleRosetta use mobile edits to prevent detection or suspicion from master account Suthasianhistorian8 which purposely avoids to use mobile edits for this account only.
 * PetersonBraide account created on October 2, 2022. See similarity of edit with Suthasianhistorian8.


 * JoshuaClark9990 account was created on September 15, 2022. See similarity of edit


 * AnoopTJoseph account was created on November 10, 2022. See similarity of edit


 * These accounts have been very cleverly orchestrated to evade suspicion. Very strong suspicion that these accounts belong to Suthasianhistorian8. Three of these accounts were created during the 6 month period when Suthasianhistorian8 was blocked for sockpuppetry. All these sock accounts also have same fashion of naming with capitalized first name and capitalized second name.


 * ClaraFisher
 * ClaraFisher account was created on January 12, 2023. This account was blocked for disruptive editing but a checkuser wasn't run and I strongly believe this account and all the above belong to master sock of Suthasianhistorian8. See similarity of edit


 * Notice the similarities on how both Suthasianhistorian8 and ClaraFisher use the word "unsubstantiated" in their comment. See here, Supmananger (talk) 05:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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Supmananger is an obvious sock of HauhgtonBrit much like Jaagjit. Admins can conduct a check on my account just to get this over with. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 06:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment:This new investigation seems like a rehash of the previous investigation which was quickly dismissed.This user is also fairly recent so it's possible that this person could potentially be a sockpuppet as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twarikh e Khalsa (talk • contribs) 06:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment: If you are not guilty, it shouldn’t be problem for investigation to complete. Talking about my account, administrators too can check my account and I am not a sock. I made my intention clear in first paragraph of this investigation. Supmananger (talk) 06:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I did not say an investigation should not take place, not sure where you got that from. I have stated multiple times that a CU should check my account and get this over with. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Nope. Might want to just delete this instead of archiving. RoySmith (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)