Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tartanator/Archive

24 January 2012

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Attempt on Dec 30th 2011 of the suspected new account to modify my talk page[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANodar95&action=historysubmit&diff=468644594&oldid=463524781]in a way that would have significantly altered it, by removing evidences of edit warring from the old account, for which it was administratively blocked on Nov 30th 2011.[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive729#User:_Tartanator:_Bullying.2C_ownership.2C_threats]

Common evidences between both accounts
 * Almost all contributions are somewhat related to China
 * Use of bots as illustrated by high number of contributions in short time periods. Plus most likely other indications.
 * Hour range during which contributions are made is similar (roughly 17h00 to 05h00, wikipedia time)
 * There has never been a contribution by both accounts at the same time. The closest contributions are 43 min apart on Dec 7th 2011.

Evidences specific to account
 * Contributions stopped the day the account was reported for incident (Nov 30th 2011), except for a few contributions related to the incident report
 * Once the account was unblocked (Dec 7th 2011) it became immediately retired
 * User of this account used deletion as a tool (among others) to try to influence other reader opinions, as it has been extensively described during the incident reporting

Evidences specific to account
 * Account created at 15:04 Dec 2nd 2011 while account was blocked
 * Account became active over multiple Wikipedia pages within 1/2h after being created, most likely unusual for a "newcomer" on wikipedia
 * Account started on Dec 7th 2011 similar amount of contributions as account had, which is the day account  became unblocked and "retired"
 * User of this account tried on Dec 30th 2011 to alter my talk page, using deletion, in a way that would have mislead other readers regarding actions (to his benefit).

If the accounts are indeed from the same person, this would be a use of SOCK in order to get a clean start, which is acceptable under SOCK but not by trying to modify history related to the previous account. Recommended action would then be to have both accounts linked, through a direct link on each other user page. Nodar95 (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * While I don't agree with all of your conclusions, I too am convinced that both accounts are controlled by the same person. Guerrilla of the Renmin was created to evade the block of Tartanator, which certainly is an inappropriate use of an alternate account; WP:CLEANSTART is not for editors under restrictions or sanctions. I have only glanced at the background of the edit warring block. I did not see that Guerrilla was ever warned for edit warring (or anything), which is good. He still seems to be in dispute with Scheinwerfermann though, which is not good. I'll ask Guerrilla to comment. Amalthea  10:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In any case, this is an inappropriate usage of this page for personal ends, and I don't think one mild warning post on Scheinwerfermann is tantamount to being "in dispute" with him. The fact that Nodar95 failed to notify either user is unacceptable, and his low contribution rate is not an excuse. In addition, Nodar95's evidence is feeble and inconclusive; it seems I have more than 7 times the contributions as Tartanator does despite being in existence for about a third of the time. Also, since Nodar95 stated both users utilised bots, he was essentially saying that both users were operating bots without any prior approval. No good at all. Last, but not least, is that I notice Tartanator has not made one edit to or related to the pages beginning with "List of township-level divisions of...", while I have meanwhile completed three (running on four) entire articles. Building these lists takes both interest and dedication, which I have and Tartanator does not. GotR Talk 14:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are deflecting. I have not used CheckUser information, but it is in my eyes indisputable that you previously edited as User:Tartanator. Thus, fact is you violated policy in November by edit warring, and then again in December by block evasion and evading scutiny. You asked on my talk page what I think. I think you should have used this chance to acknowledge your previous account, and to show that the conflict discussed on the noticeboard and the edit warring that prompted the block are a thing of the past and no longer of concern. The evasive reply above does not alleviate concerns I have with your approach to editing, and is in my opinion not in line with the constructive, cooperative spirit that I expect and that policy requires of editors. Amalthea  15:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * GotR I have to add an interesting correlation between Tartanator's and your usage of information manipulation and statements without foundations as an illustration that both accounts are from the same user. If you need illustrations please define your comment "personal ends", cite your source for "saying that both users were operating bots without any prior approval" or describe "failed to notify either user is unacceptable" once you have reviewed the following page: Sockpuppet_investigations.Nodar95 (talk) 22:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * From his history as Tartanator and GotR, one can see that manipulation of information is part of his approach to handle disagreements. Now from his high volume of contributions on wikipedia he might one day try to run for some role within wikipedia that grants him access to more information on specific users. So it would be important then for people reviewing his request to have a full knowledge of his previous breaches with wikipedia policy. My suggestion with the start of this investigation was to have both accounts linked, through their front page, using the "User Alternate Acct Name|xxx" box, as this user did User:Elen_of_the_Roads.Nodar95 (talk) 22:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * So, to summarize. The Guerrilla of the Renmin account was created inappropriately since the Tartanator account had been blocked at the time. At this moment, I do not think that sanctions would be beneficial for Wikipedia. I urge Guerrilla of the Renmin to stick with this account now. As far as I can tell your current account is at least th fourth one you have used. In my opinion, further account switches will be received as a systematic and inappropriate attempt to evade scrutiny. Nodar95, your concerns regarding a request for adminship are noted, but are I believe not warranted: Guerrilla would in that case likely disclose it upfront, and editors partaking in it would certainly notice if not. Amalthea  20:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)