Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tesi1700/Archive

28 November 2013

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Tesi called my attention at es:Tangamandapio. In that article, Tesi basically owned the article to not letting other people to improve the page. When I visited the talk page I discovered several reverts of personal attacks (Tesi attempted to attack me many times when I was at the Spanish 3RRN). The interesting of those IPs is that are geolocated in the same city as those that have been vandalizing the page Ectaco (for example has edited the talk page of Tangamandapio in es.wiki and Ectaco in en.wiki., as well as   edits match in what both users want to add a forum reference as a "reliable source" to give controversy to the page, or maybe to call them:  which can be translated as.

Considering Tesi persistent attacks, that his edits to Ectaco were in a moment the page was a constant target of socks, and that this user "This user lives in or hails from the state of Sonora" (Hermosillo is its capital), I have no doubts Tesi has used those IPs and at least this account to disrupte. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 16:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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I can answer the following:

+ I don't know who SteveKlug or SGellner are.

+ It is true that many times I access wikipedia while inside the University of Sonora. Now, this university use proxy servers (148.225.103.1, 148.225.103.2, and 148.225.103.3). This means every student (about 30,000) and every teacher (about 1,500) accessing wikipedia will have one of these IP addresses.

+ It is true that I run in an argument with tbhotch, but that was because I feel that she is taking things very personal and accusing me of bad faith.

+ I have been editing wikipedia for more than 6 years. If somebody check my history she will see that I have never vandalize a page. I don't count my edition in the article Tangamandapio as vandalism because I was reverting edits that I considered either with bad syntax or irrelevant.Tesi1700 (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you explain why you insist to call me "she"? What indicates to you I am a woman, especially when I had told you I am a man? Also, if you can explain why this edit was performed in the same moment and same pattern as this IP sockpuppeteer, will simplify the things. Being here for six years is not a justification, I've seen vandals and block evaders whose edits last the same time, and "bad faith" is what you have been doing at es.wiki with all this shit you've been saying about me at es.wiki. You're account was blocked one week for WP:Personal attacks (es:WP:E) against me, so who assumes bad faith on who.


 * Do you think it is not incredible the IPs that vandalize es:Discusión:Tangamandapio are the same IPs that have edited Ectaco in the way you did? ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 02:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, it is interesting you use IPs to clean up your talk page there, so your argument "I have never vandalize a page" is not true in itself, as you have logged out to (at least) clean up your talk page, despite the fact this practice is forbidden there. Also, if the university has about 31,500 people there, doesn't mean they are all connected at the same time and that both, morning and evening students, use the college internet, just to vandalize. Considering not everybody in this country speaks English, and those who do, may not be interested in editing Wikipedia, do you think there are 31,500 people interested in vandalize Wikipedia every day, and in specific the article Ectaco and es:Discusión:Tangamandapio? ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 02:16, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Again

+ I didn't vandalize Ectaco or es:Tangamandapio. In the case of Ectaco I reverted the blanking of the section "Controversy". Everybody can see that I left alone the page before starting an edition fight when someone displayed a strange zealous attitude about this controversy (which on the other hand started in mobileread.com, a site that I frequent a lot). In the case of Tangamandapio I reverted editions that I considered bad written or not relevant. Again, when some person showed a zealous attitude about the inclusion of a fictitious TV character on an encyclopedic page (which I still consider as non-relevant information) I left the page alone.

+ I was blocked in the Spanish site not by insults against tbhotch, but for lack of etiquette. Anybody following the link given above in the Spanish wikipedia will see that I didn't insult anybody.

+ About the speculations with the number of persons in the University of Sonora accessing wikipedia, I can only say that a) most students (and teachers) have a decent command of written English, not only because we are in the border with Arizona but because one can't expect to get a degree without knowing written English. b) English wikipedia is very used as many of its articles are far more complete and accurate than the corresponding Spanish version (if it exists at all).

+ Last, if I understand well, we are here because I'm being accused of sock-puppetry, not because some arguments with tbhotch in the Spanish wikipedia, which in any case was finished because I was blocked one week for lack of etiquette. I'm pretty sure that if somebody investigate it will be revealed that I don't have or use sock-puppets.Tesi1700 (talk) 06:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, you are asserting the whole community of the college is a) interested in the English Wikipedia for its content, but at the same time, they only want to vandalize Wikipedia (even when this site's "articles are far more complete and accurate than the corresponding Spanish version"), b) the people from the college dedicates to attack other people in the same way through multiple pages, and c) the community has a social club dedicated to vandalize Wikipedia, as it has been done at, because it is incredible how an University community misuse their internet connection to add childish vandalism. And if that persists, proxies from the campus will be blocked from editing. It is easier to think there is just one person (or selected group of people) behind these actions than 31,500 of them, as proxies can change easily than static IPs. If you are not SteveKlug nor SGellner checkuser will say it, but if those accounts use the same computer or mobile device, you can't justify this blaming Sonora's community. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't vandalize anything. Read again my first point in the previous answer. If you insist in attributing to me every vandalism coming from the University of Sonora then you are clearly going overboard.Tesi1700 (talk) 00:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Both named suspected sockpuppet accounts blocked and tagged. I don't feel that blocking Tesi1700 is in the best interest of the project so closing as is. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:48, 21 December 2013 (UTC)