Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/The Other Hand/Archive

Report date January 28 2009, 17:50 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * Evidence submitted by ThuranX (talk)

the editor is back. OSTF's first edits invoke policy, he edits the same pages as TOH and other socks, and has returned to Gratin, his favorite article, again. He's been studying up on policy, and is now requesting admin interventions against me, so he's learning about pre-emptive strikes. ThuranX (talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Additional: Get Help amde only one edit, to attack me, 8 minutes after OSTF's last edit. ThuranX (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I know RFCU isn't for 'fishing', but given the pattern here, is there a way to use RFCU to smoke out other socks, since it's clear he's farming sleepers? ThuranX (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2009


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

Excuse me, but on the basis of what I see here, anyone who edits the Gratin article is likely to be denounced by ThuranX as a sock-puppet, which is a shame, because the article as it stands just now self-evidently needs informed input. As for anyone attacking ThuranX, seeing his or her style, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Often Stranger Than Fiction (talk) 13:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users

Giving the history of the sockmaster with 2 previous SSP cases against him, I would say that there should be more sleepers hanging around. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions
 * , based on IPs and edits. Uses a dynamic IP, so it's hard to get an exact match, and hard to find other socks. Jayjg (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Report date January 31 2009, 17:26 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

As with multiple prior socks, The OtherHand has made Genizah, whose only edit is to immediately show up on Talk:Gratin and agree with the previous sock, Often Stranger Than Fiction. This is exactly how the editor behind these socks acts, and continues to act. If any of these socks used the talk page and presented rational arguments, it might be worth dealing with to get past this stupidity, but he doesn't do that. Instead, he makes bizarre edits, then edit wars over them, refuses to use the talk page, and socks. The one time he DID cogently explain on the talk page, a majority of his requests were examined, many implemented, up to the point where he began acting out again. For a while, he was insistent that sauces were never a part of Gratins, then recently ,they are. He's begun POV pushing that Americans misuse the term, against citation, and that it's only a part of 'haute cuisine', which he cannot substantiate. This has been reverted, with explanations. He needs a blocking, and the article now needs semi-protection. ThuranX (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by ThuranX (talk)

did a bit more looking, think I've found an older account. Talk:Welsh_rarebit has both The Other Hand and Letsgetthingsright both advocating for Escoffier's information above other sources. Escoffier's is a common thread to many of these socks, they've either touched articles directly related to him, or cited him. I note that Letsgetthingsright, Believe It Or Not, and Often Stranger Than Fiction have edited Cottage Pie, as well.

I've also begun to notice two other connective items: The editor chooses screen names which have a playful theme related to truth in them - let's get things right, (truth is) Often Stranger Than Fiction, Believe it or Not, (on) The Other Hand... This suggests the editor has some WP:TRUTH problem going on, which would account for the inability to discuss or compromise in article talk.

Second, there seems to be something of a Pro-European cuisine bent to many edits. On Salisbury steak all his edits center around how an American deceptively presented a European food as his own idea, or on Gratin how it's actually a dish from Haute Cuisine, and so on.

I hope these observations will help to smoke out other socks over time. ThuranX (talk) 22:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

This is a bad faith report. If someone will consider the edits made by ThuranX on the Gratin article and its discussion page, and on the talk page of Often Stranger Than Fiction then it will be clear that ThuranX is motivated by at best misunderstanding and not in the interests of Wikipedia. That is why I stepped into the argument. Genizah (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Both blocked. Tiptoety talk 21:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Report date April 19 2009, 18:28 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by ThuranX (talk)

This is yet another sock of TOH, again persisting on playing games at Gratin, most of which consist of the same 'Americans are stupid and can't use the English language' edits as before. It seems he took some time to use this account to build up credibility on the project, but it's him again. ThuranX (talk) 18:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * On review of the circumstances, I'm going to withdraw this request. At this point, he's either simply a different person, or is running a brilliant good hand/bad hand. ThuranX (talk) 20:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry the user feels this way. The assumption of bad faith is, unfortunatly in this case, misfounded. I just happen to disagree with the user on a specific issue which I have requested third party views on (add: I'm sorry the user feels the need to have removed that request; I'm at the stage where I don't know what else to do to defend myself against the user - see Talk:Gratin). The user and the community have my assurance that I have not, in *any* way been using multiple accounts or editing from an IP address -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * @ThuranX ; could we please have some diffs showing behavioral similarities between the two accounts? ~ fl 03:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions


 * Case withdrawn by initiating user, see above comments by ThuranX for details. ~ fl 12:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)