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To begin with, I suppose this will be one of the longest and most unexpected reports you've ever read. The user I'm reporting is part of an ongoing dispute about the bankruptcy of a popular Bulgarian football club. There is a long discussion on the talk page of PFC CSKA and on the talk pages of several related articles. TV Boy has urged me to "give up" and leave the discussion many times. He flooded my talk page with countless Warnings! and threats and made me feel hounded. He broke every ethical rule he could and made it very clear he won't allow me to make any changes to the articles no matter how reliable my sources are. This person went as far as making personal remarks and calling me names. He was asked by another user(Laveol) to stop but he became even more aggressive and started reporting me for virtually everything you could think of. At some point I told him that I'll no longer let him threaten me and treat me as his inferior and I'm going to ask for formal mediation. Shortly after that he started accusing me of socking claiming he has proof which was shocking to say the least because I've never even thought of that. We were engaged in multiple edit wars all of which began after he removed a sourced content I entered without providing any explanation. Of course that's not an excuse and I admit that my participation in the edit wars was a very big mistake which I'm not going to repeat. Ironically, the edit wars are where I found about TV Boy's puppets. I noticed a complaint against TV Boy on the Bulgarian version of the same article. A user called Goor accused him of intentionally provoking edit wars, so that protection is enforced and the discussion he is trying to escape from is indefinitely postponed. I noticed the exact same thing on the English Wiki and in general his behavior made me really suspicious. This is the first time I thought that TV Boy could be the person behind the anonymous IPs. I've lost count how many times he said I was socking. He did that even on the talk pages of admins but never reported me which was extremely strange considering his history of constant threats and reports and the obvious connection between the anonymous IPs. Then I decided to check the contribution history of the anonymous IPs which were my alleged puppets according to TV Boy and I can't describe my astonishment when I discovered that "they" have been following his own edits for over a year. As his user name indicates, he is interested in TV and has a particular interest in articles about Bulgarian TV channels. A very specific topic not many people are interested in you'd say. However, I found out that the anonymous IP's have made multiple contributions to the Bulgarian TV-related articles he's been editing for a very long time. Note that their (TV Boy's and the anonymous IPs') edits were sometimes just minutes apart. This is an incomplete list of the anonymous IPs that participated in the edit wars. They all start with 212. and are subscribed to Vivacom(largest Bulgarian telecom). It simply could not be a coincidence.

212.5.158.34

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 24 December 2014

Total number of edits: 20-30

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 21 August 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 21 August 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 2

Pages: PFC CSKA Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: BNT World on 3 September 2016. TV Boy has edited the article over 10 times.

212.5.158.44

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 25 September 2015

Total number of edits: ~10

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 21 August 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 7 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 2

Pages: PFC CSKA Sofia, Eternal derby of Bulgarian football

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: FC Dunav Ruse on 1 August 2016. TV Boy edited the article on 14 July 2016

212.5.158.42

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 18 July 2016

Total number of edits: ~10

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 31 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 31 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 2

Pages: PFC CSKA Sofia, FC CSKA 1948 Sofia, PFC CSKA - Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: On 21 August 2016 added info about the "current squad" of CSKA which IMO is the squad of another club. TV Boy has edited the page many times. On 31 October 212.5.158.42 suddenly changed his mind and decided to "support" me.

212.5.158.155

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 18 July 2016

Total number of edits: 4

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste:

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste:

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 0

Pages: PFC CSKA Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: On 22 August added info about the "current squad".

212.39.72.28

Location: Pleven, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 5 April 2004

Total number of edits: 100+

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 September 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 September 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: PFC CSKA Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited:

This IP was added to the list only because it's another anonymous Vivacom IP and supports my position but it's located in Pleven I don't think it's related to the other anonymous IPs which can be traced to Sofia.

212.5.158.30

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 23 February 2013

Total number of edits: 20+

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 13 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 13 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: PFC CSKA - Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: TV Boy used to edit the articles about TV channels both from his account and anonymously from the Vivacom IPs.

Nova television (Bulgaria) "12:34, 24 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-8)‎

21:11, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+3)‎

20:28, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-3)‎

16:08, 23 July 2015‎ The TV Boy (+34)‎

19:57, 22 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.8 (talk)(-34)‎"

Nova+ "20:33, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-16)‎

16:07, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+5)‎

22 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.8 (-5)‎

11 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (+54)‎"

Kino Nova "12:40, 24 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-1)‎

21:13, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+3)‎

20:38, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-3)

20:37, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (0)‎

17:48, 11 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (+54)‎"

Diema "12:40, 24 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-1)‎

21:13, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+3)

20:38, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-3)‎

20:37, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (0)‎

17:48, 11 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (+54)‎

13:11 7 April Naskox (+124)‎

14:39, 30 March 2015‎ The TV Boy (+49)‎"

Diema Family "21:14, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-20)‎

20:48, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+20)‎

11 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (+27)‎

4 June 2015‎ 12.180.133.18 (+12)‎

2 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (-7,193)‎"

Nova Sport (Bulgaria) "12:42, 24 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (0)‎

24 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (0)‎

23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-4)‎

20:53, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+4)‎

16:01, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-6)‎

20:29, 21 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.45 (+6)‎

11 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (-61)‎"

BTV (Bulgaria) "22:19, 5 August 2015‎ The TV Boy (+26)‎

21:17, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-5)‎

21:06, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30

16:14, 23 July 2015‎ The TV Boy (-70)"

BTV Comedy "22:19, 5 August 2015‎ The TV Boy (-32)‎

23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-1)‎

23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+1)‎"

BTV Cinema "22:20, 5 August 2015‎ The TV Boy (-22)‎

21:22, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+6)‎

21:16, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-1)‎

21:14, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (talk)‎(-5)"

BTV Action "22:21, 5 August 2015‎ The TV Boy (+34)

21:32, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (+5)‎

21:27, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (0)‎

21:26, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (-5)‎

16:16, 23 July 2015‎ The TV Boy (-79)‎"

BTV Lady "22:22, 5 August 2015‎ The TV Boy (-57)‎

21:34, 23 July 2015‎ 130.204.152.75 (-21)‎

21:32, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+1)

21:31, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+20)

15:12, 2 June 2015‎ The TV Boy(-5,890)"

RING (Bulgaria) "21:35, 23 July 2015‎ 212.5.158.30 (+2)‎

21:51, 6 July 2015‎ 85.118.69.169 (-32)

15:28, 8 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (-11)‎

8 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (+572)‎

15:24, 8 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (-461)‎

15:22, 8 June 2015‎ The TV Boy (-153)‎

14:49, 2 May 2015‎ The TV Boy (+38)‎"

212.5.158.51

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 29 December 2013

Total number of edits: ~10

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: PFC CSKA - Sofia

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: PFC Beroe Stara Zagora: The edits are 3 years apart though.

212.5.158.29

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 16 January 2015

Total number of edits: ~10

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 5

Pages: File:Cska-sofia logo.png

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited:

212.5.158.0

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 30 July 2015

Total number of edits: ~20

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: File:Cska-sofia logo.png

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited:

212.5.158.46

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 29 December 2013

Total number of edits: ~20

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: File:Cska-sofia logo.png

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: PFC Lokomotiv Plovdiv was edited by 212.5.158.46 3 times on 12 September 2016. TV Boy edited the article on 14 July 2016.

212.5.158.58

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 27 December 2013

Total number of edits: ~20

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: File:Cska-sofia logo.png

Contributions to articles TV Boy also edited: PFC Beroe Stara Zagora "11:56, 14 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (-36)‎

11:48, 14 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (+91)‎

03:16, 14 July 2016‎ Vítor (-4)

16:15, 13 July 2016‎ 130.204.178.196 (+71)‎

17:56, 12 July 2016‎ 130.204.178.196 (-71)‎

23:03, 11 July 2016‎ Dfotev (-192)‎

01:48, 11 July 2016‎ 91.97.125.155 (-35)‎

20:57, 9 July 2016‎ 212.5.158.58 (0)‎

20:57, 9 July 2016‎ 212.5.158.58

20:56, 9 July 2016‎ 212.5.158.58 (+53)‎"

212.5.158.2

Location: Sofia, Bulgaria

internet provider: Vivacom

First edit ever: 8 November 2015

Total number of edits: ~10

First edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Last edit concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 14 October 2016

Total number of edits concerning the CSKA/CSKA-Sofia dipuste: 1

Pages: File:Cska-sofia logo.png

Other interests: Football and history Second Professional Football League (Bulgaria) "18:56, 2 August 2016‎ The TV Boy (+103)‎

19:27, 27 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (-5)‎

19:23, 27 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (+230)

12:17, 26 July 2016‎ 212.5.158.2 (-230)‎

18:39, 25 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (+1)‎

18:36, 25 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (+23)‎"

Second Professional Football League (Bulgaria) "10:28, 30 July 2016‎ 212.5.158.2 (-8)‎

(.......)

14 July 2016‎ The TV Boy (+66)‎"

As everyone can see it's absolutely indisputable that TV Boy and the anonymous IPs know each other at least since the middle of 2015. They even share the same opinion when they contribute to CSKA-related articles ;) But miraculously they changed sides and started reverting TV Boy's reverts: here, here, here, here,, , , , , , , , To cut the long story short, I think TV Boy tried to use the IPs from which he's been editing anonymously in order to get me banned and avoid the formal mediation I'm about to ask for and which he was trying to avoid at all cost. Ivo (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' BG89 just runs out of ideas on how to win the argument on the PFC CSKA Sofia case, this is why he tries inverting my accusations of him against me. These IP's are shared by thousands of users, I have reverted their vandalism edits on TV pages in the past, this is why BG89 is trying to make me guilty so that he can get me out of discussion. Following his logic I must be some kind of a mad man who vandalises anonymously, then reverts his edits with an account. Actually, the IP's edits regarding the disputed case are extreamly similar to those of BG89, replying in the same way he does and pop-up exactly after his reverts, which matches WP:DUCK. I haven't reported him here for a checkuser just because I know that there is no way to make a public relation between BG89 and the IP's, making this imposible is also the fact that these IP's are used by thousands of users of a mobile phone network. They will be used as evidense of BG89's bad-faithed edits if it comes to dispute resolution about the case, thoght. The user has proven himself to be aggressive and highly manipulative so that he can insert his controversial information on the topic.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 04:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sofia has a population of 1.5 million people and Vivacom is one of the two largest internet providers. Their network must have tens of thousands of dynamic IPs. Mathematically speaking, the chance of all that being a coincidence is 1 in many billions. There is no way exactly these ~10 IPs (out of thousands) to always pop out when TV Boy needs them. Following TV Boy's logic, I'm an idiot who started chasing his accounts years ago in articles I couldn't care less about and now I'm using the anonymous IPs to make it look like other people support me :D Besides that sounds absurd, there are at least 6 huge flows in TV Boy's theory


 * 1) I've never been a Vivacom subscriber which is evident from my log in history. I'm pretty sure the admins have access to something like that and my words can be verified.
 * 2) The anonymous IPs fully shared TV Boy's interests and views until "they" started reverting his edits. I support a different view.
 * 3) I've been inactive from Wiki for 5 years but during that time TV Boy was fairly active.
 * 4) The anonymous IPs were causing edits wars which led to full protection of some articles. This is exactly what TV Boy wanted.
 * 5) I was the one asking for semi-protection. TV Boy never supported me about that.
 * 6) There are other people who support me in the discussion and my view is the generally accepted one, so it's not me who has any interest to stop the discussion.

I'll be more than happy my account to be investigated as well :) It's extremely likely that one of us two is behind the anonymous IPs and since I know it's not me, well....... :) If any admin wants to know my IP and MAC just let me know and I'll send you emails from my laptop and my phone. Just let me know if I can assist you with something else and it'll be done immediately.

TV Boy, I'd like to ask you a question. Apparently we accuse each other of the same things. But how comes that no other user has ever said something like that about me whereas other users constantly complain from your behavior both on the Bulgarian and English Wiki? --Ivo (talk) 10:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This user is a pure and impudent manipulator. Honestly such harsh manipulating behavior makes me sick. Vivacom has a limited IP range, it has been bloked on bgwiki for vandalism. Nobody else supports this person's actions, again twisting to prove himself right. The only person I got on arvue on the topic was bg:User:GOOR, who will turn out to be BG89 again judging by the what be says.-The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 10:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC) Anyway, Wikipedia says "Do not feed the trolls" (and the manipulators), so I'm ending it here, CU has been already denied.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 10:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * First you were sure I'was the puppet master of the anonymous IP's and now I'm GOOR :D It's really strange how much you know about Vivacom's IPs. The investigation isn't closed and in the worst case scenario your anonymous friends will be gone really soon which is still great for me. The only time I was blocked was a few days ago and the reason was edit war you caused and you were blocked before me:D Speaking of what others think about you, just read the talk pages.--Ivo (talk) 12:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 *  Your last reply was read by:--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 15:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
We don't publicly disclose the IP(s) of named accounts. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The IPs are disruptive, but the allegations against the named account are at bottom a content dispute. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:49, 16 November 2016 (UTC)