Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/The kyle 3/Archive

14 March 2016

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The user King leer01 states in his userpage that he is an "History student at Ryerson in Toronto". This had his first edit yesterday (13/3/2016), as can be seen in his contributions. King leer01 was blocked for 31 hours for personal attacks. The last edit by this user was made on 00:26, 14 March 2016. The suspected sockpupet user, Kyle renner, had his first contribution on 01:05, 14 March 2016, less than an hour after the last edit of the blocked King leer01. The suspected sockpuppet userpage, wrote in his userpage that he is a "Toronto history student. Especially interested in the Middle East. Palestine and Lebanon and North Africa and the Syrian civil war and so on.". He used an almost identical entry for his userpage. King leer01's entry says "Just some guy" and Kyle renner's entry says "Some bro". In addition, as may seen from the contributions of both editors, both have the same intesests.


 * In his userpage, the suspected sockpuppet Kyle renner states he is interested in Palestine and Lebanon (as well as others).
 * Here are few examples of King leer01 sharing this intrest:
 * here he mentions "Israel's actions in Palestine and Lebanon"
 * here he mentions "worst crimes or injustices in the context of Palestine and Lebanon are."
 * He also mentions Palestine a lot. Here are some of many examples:, , , ,.

Both users also have the same way of describing certain things. For example, to add to my suspicion, the user uses the term "occupied West Bank", which is a term many people use, but not all.
 * Here is an example of King leer01 using this term, on his fifth edit overall
 * Here is an example of Kyle renner using this term, on his second edit overall

Both users have the same opinion about attacks targeting Israeli settlers:
 * Here King leer01 says: "Settlers" are not civilians and are not "victims of terrorism"
 * Here Kyle Renner says: ...and those "settlers"...are all viable targets in the occupied West Bank and as a result are no "innocent victims of terror"

In conclusion:
 * The masteruser was created on the 13/03/16 and was blocked and had his last edit around midnight 14/03/16, the suspected sockpuppet had his first edit at 01:00 14/03/16.
 * Both users are history students in Toronto.
 * Both users have similar entries in their userpage: "Just some guy" and "Some bro".
 * Both users claim to have an intrest in Palestine.
 * Both users describe the West Bank in the same way: "occupied West Bank"
 * Both users share the opinion that "settlers are not victims of terror"

I rest my case. Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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Bolter21 is a fool, to say the least. The Palestinian West Bank is almost universally considered to be "occupied", and illegally occupied at that. There are many people interested in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, et al.

As importantly, there are many history students at Ryerson, to say nothing of history students in Toronto in general. I would say that this is another case of an Israeli "editor" who wants to try and throw around spurious accusations in lieu of not having anything of substance to say in the slightest. Kyle renner (talk) 07:58, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Once again, calling everyone who disagrees with them an Israeli, as on ANI in response to my diffs presented: . Same areas of interest, and the CU only strengthens the case. This has gone on long enough, please indef. GABHello! 14:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Nope. I only call Israelis Israelis. To what nationality does Bolter21 belong?


 * Your attempts to claim that I'm a sockpuppet of someone else because I'm interested in specific issues are as spurious and frankly as pathetic as those of the Israeli user Bolter21. Kyle renner (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You are not going to look at the fact a user, an history student from Toronto, who have negative opinions toward Israel and use the term 'occupied West Bank' (I"ll remind you that the number of editors involved in the Israeli-Arab conflict are less then 0.1% of the active Wikipedians) was banned. 40 minutes after, a new account, of an history student from Toronto, who have negative opinions toward Israel and user the term 'occupied West Bank' started his Wikipedia life. Do you have anything that will make it not an obvious indication that both accounts are operated by the same person?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You need to ditch the conspiracy theories, bro. Kyle renner (talk) 16:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * - PLease, compare those two accounts based on provided evidence.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The following accounts are :
 * Mike V • Talk 23:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Mike V • Talk 23:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Mike V • Talk 23:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sock/meat indeffed. Master blocked for 3 days. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:37, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

25 March 2016

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This is King leer01's "true" sockmaster. Account was topic banned from ARBPIA for a year for battleground editing and gross incivility.

Basically identical attitude, same agenda. Constant rants about "Israeli" and "pro-Israel" editors and general personal abuse. Similar edit summaries. Similar kind of edits.

One extant sock has similar name to sockmaster.

Do I need to bother with diffs? Click through some random contributions (esp. the ANI rants) and it's clear it's the same person. WP:DUCK. AnotherNewAccount (talk) 22:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * Here are some diffs from the accused new sock, literally from a cursory examination of the last dozen edits or so:


 * : Personal attacks on other editors, accusations of "hypocrisy," dead-set on claimed "Israeli and Jewish responsibility" for conflicts.
 * : POV-pushing.
 * : Their userpage alone demonstrates their ideals: "settlerish," "Long live the Palestinian people," you get the idea.
 * : Once again, claiming that those who disagree with them are Israeli/Jews (whether or not said editors have actually identified as such).
 * : General tendentious editing.


 * And now, for the past sock/master -- the diffs really speak for themselves:


 * . GABHello! 19:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * . Requesting admin assistance for a block of . The diffs presented above alone are convincing, and a random sampling of edits makes it pretty clear that this is the 'real' master. Thanks for your work here, and GAB.
 * Since is the oldest account, I'll be moving this page and its archive accordingly. Once an admin has made the necessary blocks, I'll change userpage tags.
 * This is my first case done independently of the group work. If anything is not up to snuff, let me know. Thanks! Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 22:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Moved. (Just for anyone trying to follow the chain of events, the previous 'master' was . Thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 22:17, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually – since this entire thing is a bit messy, let me redo my admin request: is now a sock, not the master, and thus should be blocked indefinitely.  is the master, and should recieve a block length at the discretion of the patrolling administrator. (I would suggest either no block or an indefinite block, considering when it last edited and that  had already been blocked for 3 days for recent socking.) Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 22:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sock indeffed per L235. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:34, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Same interest in Middle East and Islamic terrorism articles as previous socks. Same abusive attitude towards and  in particular. The IP geolocates to Toronto, declared location of two previous socks: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:King_leer01&oldid=709904639][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kyle_renner&oldid=709927519]. The "Shah massoud" account is clearly linked to this IP through [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_Brussels_bombings&diff=prev&oldid=711404762 this (presumably mistaken) logged-out edit] which Shah massoud [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_Brussels_bombings&diff=next&oldid=711404762 re-signed in the next edit].

There seems to be agreement on this thread on the Administrators' noticeboard that the IP is certainly The kyle 3. A CheckUser will need to check for any sleepers as this guy has a tendency to just randomly abandon an old sock and create a new one. AnotherNewAccount (talk) 19:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * Evidence:
 * / - "It's not terrorism to kill Israelis."
 * / - Hates Kahanists.
 * / - Extreme personal attacks, calling opponents (read: "reasonable editors") anti-Palestinian Israeli Jews.
 * /// - Using quotation marks for settlers.
 * Seems obvious. GABgab 00:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I cannot confirm the accusation that this is a sock of The kyle, but what I can confirm is that this user has no place on Wikipedia. I have blocked the account indefinitely ( had warned them earlier). Drmies (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothing left to do here. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)