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18 November 2014

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I noticed similar behavior between users Thehoboclown and KIENGIR and i suspect that KIENGIR is nothing else as alternative account of Thehoboclown, with which Thehoboclown makes controversial edits?! Arguments:
 * On 31 October 2011 KIENGIR has edited page Eric Bicfalvi trying to prove that this Romanian footballer is of Hungarian ethnicity/descent, later he permanently watched this page and has defended constantly these controversial statements from article (see history)

In over 3 years user has made only 200 edits, and most of them in some measure are controversial as well.
 * User Thehoboclown has over 11,000 edits since 2010. I haven't analyzed all his edits. But, just in last 100-200 edits can be noticed somewhat similar behavior. He added a info that Romanian footballer Paul Papp is of Hungarian descent and then constantly protectet his info from removal (history)

Also he did similar job at Vlad Chiricheș


 * An indirect indication: "both" users being Hungarians (probably) edits most on enwiki, and on huwiki "they" have only few edits.

P.S. When i created this page i noticed an alert message that page Sockpuppet investigations/Thehoboclown was previously deleted. Was there another investigation and then page was deleted for some reason, or what? 82.77.75.167 (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

P.P.S.: I do not support the trolling from bellow of that blocked user. Eventually you can clean the page keeping only reply of the accused user. 82.77.75.167 (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * == FALSE ACCUSATION ==

Dear accusers et al,

I am sorry to make you unsatisfied, I checked the POWs and other comments, it is really by far, even suprised about the accusations. I will answer everywhere I am mentioned, but I will only notice here some important information that I should not repeat in every answer. After I joined Wikipedia, I had some argues regarding some history related pages, but I did not harmed any Wikipedia rules and in all disputable cases we ended up in a consensus, even when I was falsely accused by Adrian / Adrian_yu as being a possible sockpuppet. The Administrator's and Incident Board commitee investigated my case and finaly gave me truth and let to modify the corresponding article and it lead to a kind of revolution to correct many other pages with false and misleading information. After all with Adrian we get in to a common agreement and we have treated each other as partners for discussing sensitive Hungary-Romania related cases.

On the other hand, my edits are lead by professional historical and factual knowledge, nothing more, just check the principles of my page or any of my edits or comments, it is evidential to every intelligent, cultivated and educated people. Since the case mentioned above, I did not have any real major conflict with anyone. Because of my enthusiasm of defending facts and my struggle of obectivity, some people with less knowledge or bad faith have tried to compromitate me, it is always easier than be balanced or avoid propaganda, since I care many Romania related articles, for some anti-Hungarian haters I became a target, althoug everything should be only judged by the current edit, it's content and value and correspondence of the reality.

Sorry, I don't have controversial edits, if you have such an accusation, prove it, name it, I am refusing any kind of untruthful generalization, moreover Eric Bicfalvi's article I care and will also in the future since so many evil aimed manipulation and hindering of his personal background took part.

Finally, I am confident and professional enough to defend, prove to stand for my edit's, my point of view, I don't need other accounts or something, the accusation is ridicoulus and seems to be a covert operation to get rid of me because I am bothering those who are not interested in a real objetive encyclopedia. I have also edit's in more Wikipedia's you mentioned, but the English is the most affected since it is the language the best I deal with.

Just try me, put me again in the ANI Board or anywhere else, I will defend myself against untruthful charges. I don't know the user TheHoboclown and I don't have any affiliation with him/her, just I saw him/her having comments on some talk pages.

Sincerely, (KIENGIR (talk) 22:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC))

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Err, well, it is yet another groundless and blatant accusation, for what previous SPIs were deleted, and I don't even know why I bother, but let's run another round.

"User Thehoboclown has over 11,000 edits since 2010. I haven't analyzed all his edits. But, just in last 100-200 edits can be noticed somewhat similar behavior. He added a info that Romanian footballer Paul Papp is of Hungarian descent and then constantly protectet his info from removal" – Actually I added that info ages ago. And yes, I added the info based of reliable sources, and yes, I reverted a number of edits (recently, and not that recently as well) which tried to erase it just because.

"Also he did similar job at Vlad Chiricheș" – Exactly. Added the info supported by refs and did my best against whitewashing.

I have absolutely no clue what it has to do with KIENGIR? Reading your lines I wonder if you understand how Wikipedia works and if you know that you just escalated a non-existent issue to SPI, stealing the valuable time of volunteers from real issues and also managed to somewhat discourage other, well-established editors. Thehoboclown (talk) 18:48, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You are lying, like the last time when an administrator ignored and neglected your first case. Last time when you was investigated you abandoned the user Anarcham because it was mentioned on your investigation. This is the proof.-- From oradea (talk) 03:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

User Anarcham: 100% sockpuppet of Thehoboclown


 * Hello. I totally support this action against this fake user Thehoboclown. You will be surprised to discover that he is using a lot more accounts. It's not the first time when he is accused of. At least Anarcham is also his user. Look at this history: proof. If any wise administrator can help against his lies, I appreciate. I just wonder about the complexity of this investigation regarding the anti-Romanims. He has tons of clones working against the Romanians on Wikipedia. Anarcham was abandoned then and I read his comments, Thehoboclown was afraid then not to be discovered.-- From oradea (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Proves of anti-Romania mockeries

Brașov Olympic Ice Rink, then he is using a Romanian source citing a Hungarian newspaper regarding the ethnicity of these players: Florin Gardoș and Vlad Chiricheș. There are no sources on the internet proving their descendencies. The parents of Gardoș have Romanian names. At Eric Bicfalvi he added (Bikfalvi Erik, ) but the sources clearly state that the player is of Romanian-Swedish origins, only his grandmother from his mother's side was Hungarian. Therefore it was impossible Bicfalvi to be a Hungarian name. And his surname Eric is probably of Swedish origin. So this is also his clone: XXN because he is reverting the good edits: history. If you open an action against him, because we are already two persons stating injustices, we will prove to you that he's a false person. He is linked to the Hungarians who are modifying the Romanian, Serbian and Slovak histories.-- From oradea (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

KIENGIR is 100% his sockpuppet, he is attracted by Matthias Bel, Horthy, nazism, anarchism (communism), hates Romania and hates some Slavic but also praises some Slavic. I can prove another 20-30 sockpuppets if these match. I wonder if Wikipedia helps in order to make justice against this bogus.-- From oradea (talk) 03:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll answer your accusations for one final time, although it's completely off-topic here.


 * "Brașov Olympic Ice Rink" – I don't know what exactly you mean by this?! This section was added by "BogdyBBA" back in 2012. Probably you don't like that I restored this well-sourced section several times after attempted whitewashings?


 * "There are no sources on the internet" .. "he is using a Romanian source" – Err. Um. There still are.


 * "At Eric Bicfalvi he added (Bikfalvi Erik, )" – The expression "alternative name" rings a bell probably. Kinda common when someone comes from a mixed background.


 * Though, what is more important here, this is an SPI site, where you have to submit strong evidences (diffs, and such) that support your claims. Instead, so far, you managed to turn this SPI to a total mess and committed a number of personal attacks. Accusing someone without evidence of being a sockpuppet is a personal attack, so is calling someone a "fake user" or "false person". Describing someone being anti-Romanian, or is being "linked to the Hungarians who are modifying the Romanian, Serbian and Slovak histories", or "working against the Romanians on Wikipedia", whatever you mean by this, can also be considered as a personal attack. Accusing someone that "[he] hates Romania and hates some Slavic" is yet another personal attack. I can say that you are sailing close to the wind, and may face the consequences if you don't give up this behaviour. If you really can present "tons of clones" (with strong evidences!), add them. If you suggest there are "another 20-30 sockpuppets", list them (with strong evidences!). If you can only assume bad faith and add blatant accusations, stop it, before it goes out of control and you find yourself in a real trouble. Please, take it as an official warning. Thehoboclown (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You are doing mistakes when you are pressured, aren't you? Ok then, you reverted for BogdyBBA which is another of your sockpuppets. Thanks for telling us. I have brought many evidences already. Keep lying! We can all see from this how dangerous you are. No problem, they will match. At least KIENGIR is your sockpuppet but you are manipulating with more. I will keep digging if this time some wise administrators will make justice. Regarding their ethnicity, there are no sources on the internet. It's of your "house" newspaper from Hungary which is lying. A Romanian newspaper was citing it. This is less important. The most important is that you are abusing multiple accounts in order to keep your subjective writing and opinions. It's obvious you want to escape once again! It's the opinion of two different persons against you. You were previously investigated. Somebody opened another page against you. If they match, I can prove some other interesting things. YET AGAIN you can't warn me in any way, you'are the accused! Let the admins do their job if you are innocent you have no reason to be afraid. Fromoradea (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)



User "FromOradea",

first of all, I have to inform you to read the headline the FALSE ACCUSATION section, after you may turn back here. I am attracted to many articles, I correct articles if their content or some parts are mistaken, false or improper. The articles you enlisted may have any relevance which topics I mostly view or I am professional in it. I don't hate Romanians. I don't hate "Slavic". You even make yourself ridicoulus, how to praise and hate the same time? If you are not retreating your false accusations does not assume good faith as an elementary Wikipedia principle, I will report you to the ANI Board, you went too far with your inventive mind, shame on you! You have to deal also in the future, correcting mistakes in articles to correspondent facts has no connection to hatred or praising, just objectivity. (KIENGIR (talk) 22:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC))

Cluj-Napoca wars

KIENGIR was editing from using these fake IPs: watch his writing on Bicfalvi. It's the same: IP1, IP2, IP4 and so on. It's starting here. This, after you check KIENGIR for the sockppuetry and XXN. XXN is using the same dissimulation like Biruitorul. If they all match, I will reclaim Biruitorul next (also in this investigation) to see how they are using the Russian communist books.-- From oradea (talk) 06:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I did not use any fake IP's, the origins of my IP was made public and introduced in front of the ANI Board, as being an average IP of the greatest and most known provider of the country and the city generating dynamic address by connecting. It can be checked easily. Stop your persecution mania, I see because you cannot attack my edits and my factual knowledge, you try with this....very cheap and unprofessional! I am waiting for your apologize! (KIENGIR (talk) 23:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC))

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 * Other than a small handful of edits in the same (wide) topic area, I don't see any behavioural evidence that suggests is abusing multiple accounts. I have completely discounted any additional details added by Fromoradea as they are a blocked sock and obviously on some vengeful bent. The bar for checkuser is much higher than what is presented here and I'm closing the case accordingly. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  00:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

20 November 2014

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Per evidences shows on Comments by other users. The investigation wasn't launched by me and was only launched for KIENGIR. Fromoradea (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You were launched for me? By whom? By what purpose? Have you enough courage to make an appeal to investigate your accusatiosn by the ANI Board? Can you just disprove any of my edit being non-true? Try me any time! But I warn you, in the ANI Board are really learned persons, scientists, bright high-level minds, do not forget this! (KIENGIR (talk) 23:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC))

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 * Report instigated by now-blocked sock with no evidence presented.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 00:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)