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16 February 2014

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It seems to me the edits between Tobby72 and the other user Yatzhek are almost parallel with each other, it seems too much of a coincidence.

Tobby72 has opened up a sockpuppet investigation against me using evidence of me allegedly copying other users evidence for such things.

But if you look at these you can see extreme parallels between Tobby72 and Yatzhek:

Yatzhek used the image on my talk page  and yet Tobby72 has used the exact same image on one of the users more recent edits. That image only appears to be on my talk page and on this article.

Whenever an argument has been used between me and Yatzhek the user Tobby72 has always had a say, for example;, and on all articles regarding mine and Yatzhek's discussions such as on the Nazism talk page and Yatzhek's talk page. Windows66 (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Seems very strange that yet ANOTHER user has now started to "remove" information regarding Slavs and Nazism but then edit about Poles being subhumans much like Yatzhek and Tobby72 have done, look at how closely related the revision edits are between Tobby72 and MyMoloboaccount; see to MyMoloboaccount's recent edits   (similar info add and the EXACT same photo and virtually almost the same text!).--Windows66 (talk) 10:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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This case illustrates revenge as a motive for making a false accusation. Windows66 / User:English Patriot Man is edit warring with me since January 2014, see, , ,. Yesterday, while editing the Master race article, I discovered the existence of blocked puppeteer English Patriot Man alias Windows66, and reported him at Sockpuppet investigations/English Patriot Man today.

User:Yatzhek is unrelated to me. I've noticed his conflict with Windows66 in February 2014, and of course I read other people's User Talk Pages. -- Tobby72 (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I see Windows66 is not letting go. Two day ago i stopped answering him and now his madness reached the peak, because it was me who wanted to make peace. This guy is a threat to Wikipedia. Yatzhek (talk) 09:57, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Rather funny how BOTH of you comment on each other's feud with me. It is not "revenge" I made a sockpuppet investigation regarding Yatzhek before you did about me, thus I now have created one against you since it is you who keeps on attacking me with your repetitive tedious bases for an argument. Other people have conflicted with you over your edits for example in the Nazism article, why have you only had a go at me?

Yatzhek you did not, you just refused to reply to me when I asked for sources.--Windows66 (talk) 10:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Windows66, could you provide diffs and explain how they're coincident?


 * Type of edits Yatzhek made (almost exclusively Nazi-related and Polish-related articles):


 * long, emotional arguments ,


 * comments in Polish:


 * long, emotional edit summaries:


 * personal attacks:


 * edit warring:


 * anti-Russian sentiment:


 *  Type of edits I made (covering the entire world):


 * short, factual arguments, quotes: ,


 * adding images:


 * reverting vandalism:


 * short edit summaries:


 * pro-Russian sentiment:

-- Tobby72 (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Seems a coincidence a third user is now following all the articles we have been debating on and interlinking adding with you, the User:-MyMoloboaccount has been editing recently here:

Master race article -, , ,.

Racism in Poland article:,.

Aryan race article:.

And even on the sockpuppet investigation here: List of them here.


 * Note: User:-MyMoloboaccount was already familiar with English Patriot Man / Window66 before, see Sockpuppet investigations/English Patriot Man/Archive -- Tobby72 (talk) 22:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Nobody find it strange that after having a dispute with one user about Poles that two others (Tobby72 and MyMoloboaccount) have commented on the disputes and have started editing identically on the articles too?--Windows66 (talk) 10:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I need to know, what type of punishment will User talk:Windows66 receive when it turns out that our accounts are not connected at all? I want him punished for bothering me and other users, and accusing us without a reason! Yatzhek (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

This is coming from the person who does not discuss via talk pages and now instantly goes to the ANI boards and reports... - you have me in laughter.--Windows66 (talk) 11:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Windows66, did yatzhek report this guy for no reason? As everyone can see, he had a strong reason. Likely, tobby72 is a user with great knowledge and he is very objective. His contribs are highly academic and from a neutral point of view, which i can not say about you. The one who's funny here is you. I am tracking your arguments for a while and as far as i can see, you are out of your mind, a wild rage of accusations, just like a crazy cowboy shooting all around himself. What will you do when your accusation will turn out to be baseless? Will you say "sorry I was wrong"? I don't think so. Me, tobby72, yatzhek, the other guy, and some ips are completely different people, not knowing each other. And this what makes me laughter. 91.218.158.26 (talk) 10:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Lukeno94: "I've seen the case having wandered to have a look due to the RFPP request, and I don't think Yatzhek has a leg to stand on. Claiming that Poles were on the same level as Gypsies at the time of the Nuremberg Laws is simply inaccurate; if Yatzhek had read what he was referencing, he would see that the Nuremburg Laws were enacted in 1935, whilst it was another four or five years before the proclamation that Gypsies and Poles were comparably "undesirable" was made (as is evidenced by the fact that it is "German soldiers" that are the issue). Anyone trying to search for "Polish" or "Pole" will find nothing in the Nuremberg Laws article. I'm fairly sure that Serbs were not, by default, put at the same level of the scale as black people or Jews were. I'm also fairly sure that the IPs are indeed Yatzhek whilst logged out; the coincidences are just too great." 20:03, 12 February 2014.

I find it rather strange how random IP addresses are still continuing to post on  removed the text, why? and on  my talk page.--Windows66 (talk) 17:29, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

There is a consensus among 4 different, long-standing editors – me, User:Volunteer Marek, User: Diannaa and User:MyMoloboaccount – that Windows66 – accuser – is a disruptive sock puppet of User:English Patriot Man. He's obviously clever manipulator. -- Tobby72 (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment by Tobby72


 * User:MyMoloboaccount is not in any way related to me.


 * Edit made by Tobby72: 15:32, 16 June 2013: - see edit history


 * Edit made by MyMoloboaccount: 15:32, 16 June 2013: - see edit history


 * Edit made by Tobby72: 17:20, 29 June 2013:


 * Edit made by MyMoloboaccount: 17:20, 29 June 2013:


 * Edit made by Tobby72: 14:03, 6 July 2013:


 * Edit made by MyMoloboaccount: 14:03, 6 July 2013:


 * -- Tobby72 (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Windows66 is only trying to divert attention from his own sockpuppet investigation.

I don't see significant editing similarities between me and Yatzhek & MyMoloboaccount. Editing different articles. Different writing/editing styles. The only exception was when we – several different editors – were forced to deal with his blatant POV-pushing (like "Poles were treated as equal citizens in Nazi Germany"). Windows66, have you actually seen the parallel edits between you and User:DD2K? , Does that mean you are his sockpuppet? Surely not.

I think that you'll need to provide more diffs and more direct evidence.

-- Tobby72 (talk) 21:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The accused users are just regular Wikipedians who happen to agree with each other. Just because I dispute what English Patriot Man is not liking does not make me a sockpuppet. ... Meanwhile, English Patriot Man / Windows66 continues his rampage.


 * Other people's opinions:


 * User:Diannaa, 16:13, 8 February 2014 -- "I have no way to check that for you, as I do not have WP:Checkuser rights. My feeling is that they are not the same person. If multiple people are telling you that you are wrong, it's best if you accept that you might be wrong, or at least that consensus is not with you. WP:Consensus. If you feel really strongly about an issue, there's WP:dispute resolution venues where you can try to get help."


 * User:Windows66 questions his own allegations: 16:20, 8 February 2014 -- "Multiple people are not telling me that I am wrong about Poles being Aryan, the user Tobby72 does not seem to be agreeing with the user Yatzhek that Poles were "racially non-Aryan" in the slightest, nor that "only Germans were Aryans according to Nazi ideology" (words of Yatzhek), in fact Tobby72 does not dispute Poles were Aryan (not that I am aware of), they were put into the 'Aryan side' of ghettos, the ancestors passport mentioned Poles and no "racial theory" could be found against Poles to satisfy the Nazis racial theories. There doesn't seem to be any issue with other Wikipedia editors that Poles were Aryan but the user Yatzhek refuses to admit this and when evidence is given his/her way the user resorts to personal attacks and insults."


 * User:Volunteer Marek, 13:34, 19 February 2014 -- "This has degenerated into a ridiculous farce where now Windows66 starts accusing everyone who points out that they are a sockpuppet of EnglishPatriotMan of being sockpuppets themselves, of somebody or other. This request doesn't need a checkuser. It's a loudly quacking WP:DUCK. Just need an admin to step in and do their job."


 * -- Tobby72 (talk) 17:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

This report seems nothing more than attempt to divert attention from Windows66's/EPM own sockpuppet investigation. There is nothing similar in edits by the two editors above--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment by MyMoloboaccount

False. If you look into the Nazism and Racial policy of Nazi Germany talk pages you will see a dispute went on between me and Yatzhek for a a little while before I have been bombarded with arguments from others. I have remained peaceful and have stuck to the Wikipedia rules (the same cannot be said for the user Yatzhek!). All I want is verified and reliable text on articles, just because I disagree with some things said does not make me a sockpuppet of a banned user who has said the same. There is many people on Wikipedia who acknowledge Slavs were Aryans (see user Paul B for example on talk pages). You used the same image and almost the same text as Tobby72 on the master race article recently, does that mean you are his sockpuppet (*shakes head*). Why can't we not just all cooperate, I mean I even have created a section on your talk page discussing your edits to certain articles yet you don't seem to be cooperating but appear to be still editing elsewhere, coincidence no?--Windows66 (talk) 11:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Adding a CU request since this appears to be coming down to a he-said she-said type situation. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 16:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * - Definitely enough evidence to warrant a check, but as Ks0stm said this is getting too much into he-said she-said to know exactly what's going on. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically, they appear to be ❌ to one another. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Closing with no action per CU findings. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)