Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tom Sayle/Archive

Report date February 24 2009, 22:01 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets
 * (already blocked)
 * (already blocked)
 * (already blocked)


 * Evidence submitted by roux  

Time to clean out the sockdrawer again. Behavioural evidence (correcting random errors in archived discussions, minor edits to projectspace pages, a minor obsession with actresses and moving to 'correct' pagenames) indicates that this is Tom once again, as does the similarity in usernames to User:O'delanca and User:Mrs. U. I. O. P., Mr. O'. de la Qwerty, both CU'd as socks. In light of the recent insanity on Jimbo's tpage from (allegedly) Tom's father, as well as the other username and IP listed above, I suggest a CU and a quick nip in the bud.


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by roux    22:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC) The edits are certainly consistent with being made by somebody who is on the Autistic spectrum, but that doesn't really prove that it is this master, so a CU will clear things up. Mayalld (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

✅
 * Conclusions

-- Avi (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

-- Avi (talk) 05:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Report date March 24 2009, 14:47 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by roux  

Seems pretty straightforward. Declares on his userpage that Tmwps are his initials; Tmwps = Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales (which has been posted before, unless my mind is playing tricks on me). Same obsession with certain projectspace articles (e.g. WP:ABF), templates obsessions, actresses, correcting typos on pages (esp. talk pages, e.g.), that sort of thing. Plus the userpage has a link to, a quick scan of the top page of which lands us here (a posting about the so-called Duchy of Effenhauer), which again shows the Thomas Michael etc etc link to Tmwps.

Time for another cleanout of the sockdrawer. // roux   14:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by roux    14:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * to check for sleepers and confirm the single account listed.  Syn  ergy 15:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

✅. . No sleepers that I can see, though.
 * Conclusions

For what it's worth, he's using again. -- lucasbfr  talk 15:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC) --Blocked/tagged. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 15:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Report date April 25 2009, 17:43 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by roux  

I don't think this qualifies as fishing.. seeing the contribs of this user reveals some quacking; the usual nitpicky corrections, idiosyncratic enforcement of policy, pokemon obsession, etc. A CU familiar with the past umpteen Tom Sayle socks should investigate this. There's usually a lot of sleepers, a small blockable range and a large unblockable one. // roux   17:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

correcting minor typos on other users' pages, typo corrections to old projectspace pages that haven't been touched in months, creation of strange categories, particularly related to userpages, and then this series of edits to the help page for categories, which are his fourth through tenth (or so) edits:. A CU is definitely needed here. // roux   15:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Also this weird and unnecessary category edit, more spelling correction, more spelling correction, this time on another SPI case... this is just getting very silly now. This too is typical TS behaviour, following the usual pattern of accuse, deny, present evidence, deny, out self or be outed by CU. // roux   16:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I'm sorry I can't understand whats going on. Roux, you seem to be the expert on "me", could you explain what's going on? Also, I can do nothing but leave you rest assured that this is my only account, but if you want my IP Address, I'm happy to fork it over.--Pokémaniac Thomas (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments by other users

Requested by roux    17:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

Usually when I look at past histories, I would recommend a CU. However, I think Pokemanic is genuine, given his newbie mistakes in using templates. Furthermore, I haven't seen any socks so far used the helpme OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Actually, I'm fairly certain that TS socks have used helpme in the past, and the question is very typical TS. As are things like correcting minor typos on other users' pages, typo corrections to old projectspace pages that haven't been touched in months, creation of strange categories, particularly related to userpages, and then this series of edits to the help page for categories, which are his fourth through tenth (or so) edits: . A CU is definitely needed here. // roux <span style="border:1px solid #6D351A;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">  15:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to give examples of other helpmes?--Pokémaniac Thomas (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not digging through dozens of socks to find it. I could be wrong, but the other evidence stands on its own. Oh, and this is the standard pattern of exposure, too: point out someone is a TS sock, TS claims no way, evidence presented, TS says prove it, more evidence presented, TS either outs himself or is caught by CU. Ohana, really, this is getting silly. // roux <span style="border:1px solid #00009C;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">  16:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you know, its been 24 hours since you submitted the request.--Pokémaniac Thomas (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And? // roux <span style="border:1px solid #00009C;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">  16:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Its getting more ridiculous waiting than you're saying that I am.--Pokémaniac Thomas (talk) 16:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Tom, we both know who you are, and we both know that you are banned from using Wikipedia--not to mention every other website I've found where you perpetrate your Duchy of Effenhauer stuff. Please stop wasting our time. You do this every time you are found, you pretend it's not you, and then low and behold, it is. How about doing two things differently? One, admit it. Two, leave and don't come back. You abused your editing privileges severely enough that you wouldn't have been allowed back anyway; evading your block guarantees you will never be allowed to freely edit here ever again. Stop wasting everyone's time. // roux <span style="border:1px solid #614051;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">  16:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For goodness sake, stop asking me to admit that I am someone that you know I'm not. I'm actually starting to enjoy you not only taunting me, but goading me on. At least you're saving me money on haircuts.--Pokémaniac Thomas (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, both parties quit your arguing. I'm going to ask another clerk/trainee clerk to come and see what we should do from here. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking over the case, I see compelling arguments in both directions. There certainly is evidence to indicate that the user may be a sock, and there is reason to believe otherwise, too.  In such a case, it is better to request a check—if it turned out to be unnecessary far less harm was done than if it was indeed needed.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  17:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged. Peter <b style="color:#02b;">Symonds</b> ( talk ) 22:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * . Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Thanks, everyone!  Archiving.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  22:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by SUL
On Thomas Sayle's first edit to his user page, he says that his real name is Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales. Launchballer signs his posts using that name on Wikia.

Launchballer also calls himself "The Duchy of Effenhauer Junior" on his Wikia user page and The Sonic Center (User:The_Duchy_of_Effenhauer is a sockpuppet of Tom Sayle).

In addition, Tom Sayle and Launchballer both say that they have asperger syndrome.

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

CheckUser requests
Requested by SUL (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * but as a note "both announce they have asperger's" isn't really evidence. GrooveDog &bull; i'm groovy. 00:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Conclusions
-- Avi (talk) 03:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Blocked. —  Jake   Wartenberg  03:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And tagged. GrooveDog &bull; i'm groovy. 04:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)