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Same editing focus (Romania in World War II), both names end with 'ul', same POV-pushing, Prefectul was registered only three days before Torpilorul was officially banned, when the consensus was already clearly against him. Both user pages have only plain text, and both state they are a Romanian naval historian. L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

This is getting complicated, because User:Romanian-and-proud is very clearly also a Torpilorul sock as well. Here are some similarities: Please also see the examples other editors have provided in the ANI thread (for instance,, ). I think that there's more than enough for a WP:DUCK block here: the pattern of behaviour is identical, and the views on highly specific issues noted above are highly unlikely to be coincidental.
 * Repeatedly arguing that Romania's contribution to World War II has been systematically understated due to some kind of anti-Romanian bias by editors and threatening retributions: Romanian-and-proud -  Torpilorul -  (See also the entire Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 146 thread)
 * Arguing that the Romanian WW2-era Mareșal tank destroyer inspired and was superior to the German Hetzer tank destroyer: Romanian-and-proud - Torpilorul -
 * Advocating for Romania to be considered a major participant in WW2 based in part on a work by historian Dennis Deletant: Romanian-and-proud - Torpilorul -


 * I don't know what you make out of this, but all I see is that someone wants to humiliate us, to make it seem that we have no representatives, and I can't have that. Romanian-and-proud (talk) 11:54, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Cultural theft is what France is doing with our Constantin Brăncuși. They refuse to let us bring his remains back in the country. Romanian-and-proud (talk) 11:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Compare with the Torpilorul:
 * "Shouts like "Fascists, Antisemitic, war criminal" - they're literally gibberish to most of us. We won't see the point, all we'll see is our anti-Communist heroes and martyrs being attacked, and we won't like it. We're exercising our costly-earned freedom. Torpilorul (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

As for Prefectul: For the rest, this page pretty much says it all. L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:11, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Arms industry in Romania: Torpilorul, Prefectul

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 * Do you need more evidence? I didn't bother to present a lot of it because for me it's so clear the're the same person, but I could supply mountains of diffs if you wanted. L293D (☎ • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 03:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Torpilorul is . Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a technical issue. The evidence that can be reviewed using CheckUser tools is only stored for 90 days. Torpilorul has been inactive for longer, so CheckUser won't tell us much. The behavioural evidence you've presented will still be evaluated in due course. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Diffs showing similarities in editing between the two accounts (especially in regards to content, edit summaries, areas of focus, etc) would be very helpful. Nick-D (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm WP:INVOLVED here (I'd forgotten being previously involved with Torpilorul's editing), but I agree that it's highly likely that they are Romanian and Proud. The Romanian nationalist POV and boosterism of the World War II-era Romanian Government and war effort are quite distinctive. Nick-D (talk) 03:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * is . Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * not sure if either of you want to weigh in here. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have Prefectul. I'm not familiar enough with Iaaasi to make a determination there, but Prefectul's first edits are "obviously a sock" giveaways, and were done while Torpilorul was in the midst of last-hope block appeals and within days of them going away altogether. It's too much of a coincidence for me to believe we just happen to have had two Romanian navy history enthusiasts randomly stumble into that pattern. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)