Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Txbiassss/Archive

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Okay, this is a very, how to say, intriguing case. Quoting myself at the ANI thread: "Okay, I've taken the time to look at this. Neither of the two accounts seems to have a total mastery of English (further details not provided per BEANS) so that would fit, if marginally, with our prime suspect. The arguments bear some similarity. The more suspicious element is of course already highlighted above [both accounts being recently created SPAs]. I'll take it to SPI; it's likely that if the two accounts are not our suspect that they are at least related to each other. " Please take a look at this. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , You filed this under the old case name, I've moved it here for you. No worries. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait, what, I don't understand. Is Stubes99 = Kiengir? Or are they unrelated? I filed under Kiengir originally (using Twinkle, so had no clue there was a previous erroneous filing) because that was the supposed master I was looking for, as per the ANI thread. Anyway, thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , The history is confusing, but see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Stubes99/Archive. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I had scrolled through that but I'm not quite entirely sure: so there was a sock of Stubes99 who was blocked a month or so ago; Kiengir was not related to this sock, and apparently, per what is saying, not related to the two above (+third one below), although the trolling is obvious. And Stubes99 =/= Kiengir; although they're obviously from the same country. Now, just to clarify: in a hypothetical, if there are future suspected socks of Kiengir (not Stubes), should I report them here or at the other page? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  00:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the case should have been moved. It was pretty clear at the end that the previous SPI in which KIENGIR was speculated to be the master were Stubes instead, but in this instance, KIENGIR is actually the more likely possibility.   did you check them against KIENGIR as well as Stubes99? Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Beyond My Ken - Yes.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   00:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * who were part of the discussion last time about merging the two cases. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We need to check Txbiassss and Hoksalik against KIENGIR. Stubes99 =/= Kiengir. And Stubes99 is unrelated to the current events at Talk:Nazi Germany. So yeah, I don't think the case should have been moved.— Diannaa (talk) 01:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been re-reading the archives. I think where we may have gone off the rails (a nice way of saying I screwed up) was that  was originally suspected as a  sock in the 16 February 2021 filing.  When  and  wanted to merge the cases, what they really meant (and I didn't pick up on) was that ONLY  should have been moved to the Stubes99 case, not merging the full  case.  Some incorrect tagging just added to the general confusion.
 * I see that KIENGIR has since been banned, but for issues unrelated to socking.
 * The current (12 April 2021) report is about KIENGIR actually socking now. In which case, what I need to do is undo the merge, and move today's report back to a KIENGIR case, unrelated to Stubes99.  Before I actually act on any of this, I'd like to get a sanity check that I've actually figured it out correctly. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As the original filer, I can confirm that today's report was indeed about KIENGIR (had no clue about this Stubes99 until seeing the merger in my watchlist). Reading from the archive, it does indeed appear that the merge should only have been partial. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with my fellow Canadian— Diannaa (talk) 02:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems correct to me, I was referring in the previous case only to that one incident. It seemed clearly established that at least that case was not a KIENGIR sock. CMD (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with my fellow Canadian— Diannaa (talk) 02:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems correct to me, I was referring in the previous case only to that one incident. It seemed clearly established that at least that case was not a KIENGIR sock. CMD (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * - Given Txbiassss's disruptive trolling at Talk:Nazi Germany (see ANI), and his use of a sockpuppet in an attempt to create a WP:False consensus, I don't think it's too much to ask for blocks of everyone involved here -- Txbiassss and their 3 socks -- as WP:NOTHERE. What do you think? Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Please see my comment below. It's inevitable at this point that everybody's going to get blocked.  The only question I'm still trying to sort out is whether they're all KIENGIR socks or somebody else.  None of the socks have edited in a couple of days, so there's no great urgency here.  I'd rather take the time to do it right. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * This is incorrectly filed under the previous case name (KIENGIR). Moving to the current name. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Trying this again, this time without the trailing period :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ to each other
 * Also ✅ to the two accounts:
 * However, they don't appear related to the master as far as technical evidence goes. That's all I can give you...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * However, they don't appear related to the master as far as technical evidence goes. That's all I can give you...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Move 12 April 2021 back to stand-alone case for KIENGIR per discussion. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * if we're lucky, I think we've got this back to what it's supposed to be. Thank you everybody for your assistance and patience. , could I trouble you to re-run the check, this time against KIENGIR?  Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * RoySmith - It doesn't appear related to KIENGIR as far as geolocation goes and user agents go...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   15:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , OK, thanks. I noticed that Txbiassss also created  who has made no edits.  My inclination at this point is to rename this case to Txbiassss, along with Hoksalik and ChackChacka  as CU-confirmed and Tybiasssss as proven.  I'm not seeing anything that definitively ties those four to KIENGIR.  The confluence of when KIENGIR was blocked vs the other accounts being created is certainly suspicious, but that's not enough, especially in light of the CU result.  I also note that Txbiassss and Hoksalik use the mobile web editor, which KIENGIR never did. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Having taken a day to let this all percolate in my brain, I've gone back and looked at specific bits of text written by KIENGIR and Txbiassss, seeking style or diction similarities to connect them. Overall, while it's possible, I don't see any overwhelming clues that they're the same person,  The technical evidence, both from CU and from my own analysis of the edit comment tags, also says they're not.  So, splitting this report off into a new case. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked/tagged as noted above. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)