Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vaselineeeeeeee/Archive

28 April 2015

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Procedural report before blocking as a WP:DUCK. There is a suspicious timing of creation of Fanatics8213:
 * Vaselineeeeeeee was blocked at 22:05, 20 January 2015.
 * Fanatics8213 was created at 20:34, 21 January 2015

A common file frequently edited by both is

Similar edits:
 * Vaselineeeeeeee 01:54, January 20, 2015 edit before block
 * Fanatics8213 22:36, January 21, 2015 edit after Vaselineeeeeeee block

Fanatics8213 does not edit again until 04:41, 8 February 2015, after Vaselineeeeeeee's next block at 03:41, 8 February 2015

Vaselineeeeeeee blocked next at 00:44, 26 February 2015 and makes a talk page edit at 12:22, while Fanatics8213 edits at 12:43 after inactivity for a week.

Finally, here's a series of alternate edits to each other's user page over the same time period:
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 * Vaselineeeeeeee creates User:Fanatics8213 at 17:17, 28 March 2015
 * Fanatics8213 blanks User:Vaselineeeeeeee at 17:18, 28 March 2015
 * Vaselineeeeeeee continues multiple edits to User:Vaselineeeeeeee until 17:33
 * Fanatics8213 edits User:Fanatics8213 at 17:34 —Bagumba (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Vaselineeeeeeee continues multiple edits to User:Vaselineeeeeeee until 17:33
 * Fanatics8213 edits User:Fanatics8213 at 17:34 —Bagumba (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Sockmaster Vaselineeeeeeee blocked 31 hours, and sock Fanatics8213 indefinitely blocked and tagged. Mark for closing.—Bagumba (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Both accounts are single use—Association football, emphasis on Italy & Italian teams. Both edit obsessivley. Both list themselves as from Toronto, Canada. Vaselineeeeeeee has a history of puppetry. The account name Vaselineeeeeeee mimics Vaselineee and Vaselineeeee, both banned puppeteers. On June 7 both accounts' edits were exclusively about Association football, and always at different times.


 * Vaselineeeeeeee 00:43 to 00:45
 * Messirulez             3:51 to 3:52
 * Vaselineeeeeeee 10:45 to 14:44
 * Messirulez             16:21 to 16:28
 * Vaselineeeeeeee 17:03 to 17:29, 20:02 to 20:21
 * Messirulez      20:27 to 21:58
 * Vaselineeeeeeee 22:02 to 23:03

Vaselineeeeeeee's talk page and its archives are dominated by ostensible 'conversations' between himself and Messirulez. I have never before seen two editors discuss the same subject with such a high degree of agreement and at such length. The writing style of the ostensibly different editors is very similar—they very much resemble one person endlessly regurgitating opinions about association football in the form of a fake dialog. Archives 1-5 are almost totally 'dialog.'Tapered (talk) 06:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Diffs from articles


 * Messirulez: ,
 * Vaselineeeeeeee: ,

Diffs from Vaslineeeeeeee Talk page
 * Messireluez: ,
 * Vaselineeeeeeee:, Tapered (talk) 03:12, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * (from Check user comments) No individual diffs, as such, but a log of an entire day of 'diffs,' organized by time with no overlaps. Did you verify the activity pattern? Is that not evidence? Would a log of a few more days, perhaps a week, strengthen the fact that the user edits don't overlap? That's a lot of info and space~—we're encouraged to be brief. Also, is it allowed to amend the master/puppet configuration? Tapered (talk) 22:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither user name is making disruptive edits, as such—most are mundane, and many are accurate. From the point of view of my investigation request, what's important is one editor's attempt to dominate edits to Italian soccer articles in the guise of more than one identity. Vaselineeeeeeee's talk page is consistent with that issue. It's easily observable that both users make large numbers of edits by looking at the Contributions pages, and my timelines are accurate. Perhaps I could choose a few diffs at random that show the articles are about Italian soccer. Tapered (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * How can this investigation request be updated to include a Checkuser request? Tapered (talk) 00:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow, I'm seeing this now, and how amazed I am. It would've been appreciated if someone could've pinged me. I was debating whether on commenting on this already closed case, but I just had to because of how ridiculous this was by User:Tapered. I looked at it again from June, as to how I could've pissed off this user to make him make such a ludicrous case, and this was on Mario Balotelli's page where we had a little disagreement, but later came to a conclusion on the talk page. Anyway, he says Messirulez and I are the same people just because we enjoy in taking part in friendly discussion?? Obviously Tapered mustn't be an association football fan, as fans of particular teams can go on and on with other fellow supporters about how the team is performing and about recent results. We are fans of the same teams, so we do agree on most things. However, I point out we don't particularly agree on certain points such as Balo in the national team, as an example. Our writing style is also not so similar like you impose; Messirulez is much more detailed than me who breaks down the formations and can recall things from farther in the past than can I, as I believe he is probably about 10 years older. Also, Messirulez contributes to almost exclusively footballers, mainly Italian, but others not. Me, I contribute to mainly Italian footballers, as well as any articles related to the clubs, whereas Messirulez generally doesn't. I also edit Italian-Canadian Mafia articles, geographic/demographic articles, and use my rollback rights to revert a bunch of vandalism, which Messirulez does not. He also is a native of Italy, and his mother tongue is Italian as pointed out by his user page, and he is much better at finding Italian language sources than me, as I only have a basic understanding of Italian thus far, being a second generation Italian Canadian. I mean, did Tapered really think one person would be having such long and extensive conversations with themselves to make it look like they're two users?? What would be the point?? This case was seriously laughable, and I felt the need to just say a couple things because it seems Tapered still has it in his mind that we are the same people. I'm sorry for the two admins who needed to waste their time with this nonsense case, but do give thanks to them in their likeness seeing how ridiculous this case was. Tapered, you should've really thought more closely before you made this, as this is frankly insulting. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:44, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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You have not presented a single diff as evidence to connect these two accounts. At bottom, you've said they edit the same articles/topics, agree with each other a lot, and talk to each other a lot. Messirulez is the older account.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The issue of overlapping or non-overlapping edits isn't what's important (and those sorts of things should be with diffs, not just your notes). You should show (1) on the articles the two users are expressing the same point of view and (2) stylistically the two users are similar. All of that should be with diffs. You shouldn't ask the SPI team to find these things for you. Don't change the master/puppet issue. Only a clerk is permitted to do that. Thanks for asking.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You haven't provided enough evidence for a behavioral investigation, much less a technical one. To demonstrate the lack of connection here, I looked at the contribution histories of both users, to show you how to do this in the future.
 * I took just one example, based on the conversation between the two users that's currently at the top of Vaselineeeeeeee's talk page. That took place on April 11. Here are Vaselineeeeeeee's edits from April 11, and here are the edits from Messirulez. Both users are editing at the same time, and there are simultaneous edits to different articles with the same timestamp. It's pretty clear to me that these are two different users.
 * Please do not file an SPI again without adequate investigation on your part, with supporting diffs and behavior. Closing. Katietalk 13:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)