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Each account makes the minimum number of edits so they can than edit circumcision. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 14:09, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Please check these accounts. Thanks, GABgab 15:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:11, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All . GABgab 17:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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I don't know who the sockmaster is. These three accounts have come into existence within the past few hours to make the same absurd threats to take criminal action against User:Mhhossein. The behavioral evidence is that they are all doing exactly the same bizarre quacking. There is of course no law in the United States against insulting the Iranian leader. I don't know whether anyone is in Iran. Request CheckUser to determine who else is using the same IP address (whether or not in Iran). Robert McClenon (talk) 23:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment - The behavior of Abir Babu, in giving a less-than-reasonable warning to Mhhossein, is remarkably consistent with the behavior of the three sockpuppets who warned Mhhossein that his criticism of Khamenei might lead to criminal charges. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Abir Babu had copied some of Robert's comments from DRN. The three socks copied other comments Robert made in their warnings to Mhhossein. I think the three are socks of /Thiscrund68.  Dr.   K.  8:05, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure if this is going to do any good at this stage, but I am adding a CU request for the sock who opened the SPI against Robert. Dr.   K.  17:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Thank you for your analysis, with which I largely agree. My question regards, however, Abir Babu's copying large segments of Robert's comments at DRN to warn Mhhossein, and the three new socks copying other comments by Robert to warn Mhhossein, while the fourth sock, Werner2017, opened an SPI against Robert, asserting that since the three socks used Robert's comments verbatim when warning Hossein, they must be socks of Robert. This kind of behaviour is very ducky. Abir Babu is from the Thiscrund68 sockfarm, while the other four are from VoHRA's farm. Despite the current CU evidence, is there any chance at all the two sockfarms are related somehow?  Dr.   K.  01:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There may be a small chance based on behavioral similarities (shared interest in both circumcision and Mhhossein); however, I think it's probably best to treat the two groups of sockpuppets separately at this time. With regards to copying Robert's comments at DRN, after thinking about this some, I think I perceive a different motivation for Thiscrund68's mimicking of Robert as opposed to VoHRA's mimicking. When Thiscrund68 edited as Abir Babu, they stated on their user page that they assisted at DRN; my guess is that Thiscrund68 wanted to boost their standing on Wikipedia by trying to serve as a DRN volunteer, submitting statements like this. When VoHRA made their mimicking edits to Mhhossein's talk page, I believe it was deliberately set up to make it look like Robert McClenon committed sock puppetry – admins can see their now-deleted SPI here. Whereas Thiscrund68 wanted to benefit themselves, it appears VoHRA wanted to target Robert McClenon. Mz7 (talk) 02:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent analysis, especially in the way you explained the motivations of the two sockfarms imitating Robert for their own (nefarious) purposes. I agree. Thank you very much Mz7. Best regards. Dr.   K.  03:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent analysis, especially in the way you explained the motivations of the two sockfarms imitating Robert for their own (nefarious) purposes. I agree. Thank you very much Mz7. Best regards. Dr.   K.  03:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Is PositiVethinkerr the oldest account you found, and may there be an older master? Thanks,  GABgab 18:01, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's possible. There is some overlap with User:VoHRA but I didn't list them as the master because the behavior seemed different enough to be a fluke. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  16:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - I've been poking around some more, and I'd appreciate if we could compare this with these two cases: Sockpuppet investigations/VoHRA and Sockpuppet investigations/Thiscrund68. Same POV being pushed in the latter two: . Thiscrund68, using his sock Abir Babu, seemed to have a grudge against Mhhossein. This hardly seems coincidental, so I'm requesting CU to test my hypothesis. If the CU supports this, I think we ought to merge them all. Thanks, GABgab 23:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The confirmed socks in this case are an exact UA match to VoHRA socks and they used the same proxy/same IP days after VoHRA socks used it over a span of a few days. Inconclusive with respect to Thiscrund68. Leaving the request active for another CU to take a look.
 * Technically, I'm sure that these are VoHRA. Same IPv6 address, same UA. The geolocation, ISPs and UAs are different from Thiscrund68. Katietalk 19:52, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  17:59, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging for his opinion. Thanks,  GABgab 15:29, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, in terms of behavior, I can definitely see where you are coming from in that the POVs added by these VoHRA accounts and Thiscrund68 acccounts are similar. For example, compare (Thiscrund68) to  (Gisoni). Adding to that the attention given to Mhhossein (Abir Babu: ; Givenshelfout: ), and I can understand why it the behavioral similarities might look more than coincidental. What gives me pause, however, is the fact that Thiscrund68 likes to spend a good amount of time on article talk pages presenting "evidence" in the form of YouTube videos and other unreliable sources (e.g. ) – this was the characteristic that made me call WP:DUCK between Abir Babu and Thiscrund68 – whereas the VoHRA socks don't seem to be interested in article talk pages at all (this is the only article talk page edit I could find). CheckUser evidence seemed to be either inconclusive or tending towards unlikely, if I'm understanding correctly. Overall, I'm not as sure as I was for Abir Babu that these accounts are related to Thiscrund68, though admittedly they are similar. Mz7 (talk) 21:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ to each other and confirmed to VoHRA sock, :
 * Blocking.
 * Blocking.
 * Blocking.


 * Moved and socks (re)tagged. Closing. GABgab 01:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Leaving case open for further analysis. GABgab 01:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Now closing per Dr. K. above. Mz7 (talk) 05:02, 30 October 2017 (UTC)