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WP:DUCK, same editing to the same articles. Also, both accounts have been blocked indefinitely as sockpuppets on Greek wiki. Sro23 (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Admin action requested: Everyone's blocked except for Spanofrangovasilo; please block them as a sockpuppet (see /). Thanks, GABgab 21:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * blocked. Nakon  04:39, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Restoring material that had been previously added by socks to Greek Super Cup. WP:DUCK Sro23 (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Per a report on 's talk page by, these are all a common user (or group of related users) coming over here from being blocked on the Greek Wikipedia, disruptively editing various Greek football articles. A particular hallmark is obsession with writing that various stadiums are located in Piraeus, removing citations that place them in Athens, e.g., , , , as well as calling reverts of their disruptive edits "vandalism". Requesting CU for confirmation and for completeness as I keep seeing more accounts the more I look at this. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * The same scenario is observed in the greek WP, where is using multiple IP addresses and puppets to push his pro-Pireaus and pro-Olympiakos FC POV (or at least what he thinks is a pro-Pireaus POV). Apparantly we are talking about the same user her. Cinadon36 20:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * per myself. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you please fix the structure of this report? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Ugh, there's like 100+ users on this IP range that are pretty much technically indistinguishable. I don't know anything about sports, so maybe a checkuser who knows sports should look at it before there's a blockpocalypse (or would it be a blockalypse?). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Everything is a mess, and frankly, . Behavior will have to settle this one. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 06:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, all, and thanks for the link. Based on behaviour there's pretty much no chance at all that this is a different user from the older reports, and so I have  all of the accounts.  sorry, when I opened the report the template failed, and I thought I repaired it but it looks like you saw something I didn't. Guess I'm rusty at this. I think  fixed it, but if there's still something amiss please let me know. @NRP: in this case it would be a blockcathlon. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Jjik43 (talk) 19:22, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please move to Sockpuppet investigations/Vrahomarinaner.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Sro23 (talk) 02:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I've removed the first two suspected puppets because they have no contributions at en.wiki.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree with 's inconclusive finding on July 16, 2019 (see archive). At a minimum, the socks were ✅ to each other. Indeed, 's technical finding of technically indistinguishable was spot-on, and although I know little about sports, the behavioral evidence to back it up was solid.
 * The accounts below are ✅ to previous socks. I am ignoring accounts with no edits at en.wiki, even if they have been indeffed at el.wiki. If someone wants to start globally locking these accounts, that would probably be a good idea, which would then dispose of accounts that might become active at en.wiki otherwise., what do you think?
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Locked those, and a couple others from Meta results. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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The same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, former ip range of vrahomarinaner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 (talk) 15:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, former ip range https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 he have new ip range now Jjik43 (talk) 16:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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This is the "English" version of a cross-wiki disruptive activity. Actually, it is to a great extend spamming disguised sometimes as "content dispute". Maybe for those of you unfamiliar to certain "things in Greece" it is difficult to follow. If you have time, review the following: (a) Archived Eurobasket 1987 case in Requests for page protection (archive#13 September 2019); (b) Case Piraeus trolling, pt.2 in Current requests (closed but not archived yet, so, the link will soon change); (c) This discussion in my talk page. If you have more questions, I will be glad to try answeing them. Regards. ——Chalk19 (talk) 16:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * PS. I have never accused user Jjik43 as anybody's sock (on the contrary, they made a comic accusation against myself). I only noticed (a) some evidence showing that behind many IPs involved in the edit war (not those above) maybe hides themself user Jjik43, in order to avoid the braking of the WP:3RR; (b) that another user, who is active mainly (but not exclusively) @ el/WP is suspected as a sock/meat puppet of them. ——Chalk19 (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have never accused user Jjik43 as anybody's sock Well, I have. See Sockpuppet investigations/Jjik43. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

P.S. The back story here is complicated. Here is a good summary, if needed, from Ah3kal, a Greek editor who is also a global sysop. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

P.S. You can’t tell the players without a program. As I understand it, socks of Vrahomarinarer are the ones who want the articles to say “Piraeus”. That is also what the IPs reported here favor. The other side, including the reporting user Jjik43, want the articles to say “Athens”. There may be registered users in good faith on one side or the other who are not socks of anyone, so a DUCK test should probably not be relied on by itself. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * This was reported at AIV, and I spent a little time looking at it before realizing (as another admin there had said) it was too complicated for AIV (and for me). This needs either a Checkuser, or an admin familiar with previous history, or both, I think.  Two IPv6's are edit warring over this kind of thing, and then the reporting user here and User:Chalk19 are each reverting one of the those two IPv6's, calling each one a sock or an LTA, and each implying it should be obvious the other is the sock, but it isn't obvious to me at all. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:37, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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The same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, former ip range of vrahomarinaner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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The same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, former ip range of vrahomarinaner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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✅, blocked and tagged. Please globally lock.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 23:57, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Without having read this, I blocked earlier today because of edit warring over definitions of Athens again at ... oh I don't even remember which article, this vandalism is quite widespread. In response I received this message on Wikidata, which led me here. Needless to say, yep, these IPs are Vrahomarinaner.
 * I don't know who is, but they're also blocked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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See below. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Uncovered new socks while investigating a separate matter. The following accounts are ✅ to, for example, User:ARORLAVE:
 * The accounts that weren't have been.
 * The accounts that weren't have been.
 * The accounts that weren't have been.
 * The accounts that weren't have been.
 * The accounts that weren't have been.


 * The following accounts are ✅ but :
 * In addition to these there are a large number of technically indistinguishable new accounts with Greek names which have not edited this wiki (yet?) which I am going to pass on to a global checkuser. Per case history any accounts that are blocked here should be globally locked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * G3A3 84ST has only one edit, so there's not much to evaluate there. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to these there are a large number of technically indistinguishable new accounts with Greek names which have not edited this wiki (yet?) which I am going to pass on to a global checkuser. Per case history any accounts that are blocked here should be globally locked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * G3A3 84ST has only one edit, so there's not much to evaluate there. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * G3A3 84ST has only one edit, so there's not much to evaluate there. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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This user has some kind of obsession with certain issues, such as Athens. The page Olympiacos F.C. is temporarily semi-protected because the user, using dozens of different IPs, had been persistently deleting what he thought was wrong, something that resulted in edit-wars. See, , , , , ,. He obviously decided to do this as an IP user when one more of his multiple accounts, User:Κοκκινιώτης, was blocked, because in the same page he had exactly the same disruptive edits:,. As soon as the page got protected, he performed in the same way using his account User:Αντιγονος, see. The problem with him is that he is constantly making new accounts and uses so many IPs, editing always in the same way. He has done so in the page of Athens as well (see, , ) and he has contacted me (as an IP user) sending an insulting and arrogant message about the above issues in my talk page. Sthenel (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Blocking and tagging sock. Sro23 (talk) 04:25, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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Similar editing patterns of a user User:Vrahomarinaner who has been blocked indefinitely from Greek and English Wikipedia. His obsession with Olympiakos and related articles to Greek football is quite suspicious - all those accounts are new and focused on Olympiacos. I have strong suspicion that they are interconnected, based on their contributions [1 ] [2 ] [3 ]. The username Xitler is written in Greeklish and refers to Hitler btw. Glucken123 (talk) 15:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * There is already a case for this master into which this should be merged: Sockpuppet investigations/Vrahomarinaner. - Looks connected to me, confirmation and sleeper check would be nice. Although the archives for Vrahomarinaner are stale, if there's any leftover log data/cuwiki data for the master that'd probably be useful. —Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 17:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merged from Sockpuppet investigations/Sir Pretender GeneralNotability (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Xitler and SunsetNight are to each other and to this master, Sir Pretender is ❌. ST47 (talk) 04:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Evidence is insufficient for blocks at this time. I'm familiar with this sockmaster, and I'm sure these aren't him. Closing with not action. Sro23 (talk) 23:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/%CE%93%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%AD%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%8A, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Battase, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:587:800C:D500:A556:C9EF:2521:E852, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olympiacos_CFP_(men%27s_water_polo)&diff=prev&oldid=940117360, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:8955:9EAF:C9AC:5E53 (talk) the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:FC0E:7B6A:A48D:4E1E (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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As previously mentioned, some of the accounts in this check are real users, unrelated to Vrahomarinaner. This request is an act of trolling that should be removed. After all, it was submitted by an anonymous IP. Glucken123 (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

A brief review, as far as it concerns me (and apparently user, too):
 * 1) Sockpuppet investigations/Trefoil13/Archive
 * 2) Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, "EuroBasket 1987"
 * 3) User talk:Chalk19 and User talk:Chalk19
 * 4) Talk:Peace and Friendship Stadium, Talk:Karaiskakis Stadium, Talk:Neo Phaliron Velodrome

A laughable claim that I am a "100% puppet" of Vrahomarinaner, by a well-known (the so-called "anti-Piraeus") cross-wiki troll and sockmaster, indef. blocked in en/WP and el/WP. Of course, I don't mind running a CU, no matter how ridiculous and trollish is the accusation against myself. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * PS. Vrahomarinaner has been creating many socks in en/ and el/ WPs; that, everybody knows, it's no news. But the so-called "anti-Piraeus" troll (user Trefoil13 / Jjik43, the IP that filed this request), a Panathinaikos Club (of Athens) fun who detests anything connected to Piraeus and Olympiacos CFP, many times is pretextually bringing forward the case of Vrahomarinaner as a sockmaster, in order to give an excuse to his own unconstructive and abusive editing. Part of this behaviour is repeatedly accusing other users obviously unrelated to Vahomarinaner as his "puppets". ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Chalk 19 is a systematic liar is not the first time. 1st I didn't accused him to be 100% vrahonarinaner puppet, 2nd never accused a user as a vrahomarinaner puppet, 3rd this user attack to anyone who are against vrahomarinaner as he did to αλαν13 account and a lot of others. In greek wikipedia they let vrahomarinaner to create alot of accounts in daily base and chalk19 attack to anyone who be against it and blames them with paranoic things systematically. Sorry for my bad english --2A02:2149:88E1:A000:64B6:C0F9:C4D8:9A83 (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Please note that whithout any doubt all the above IPs belong to the cross-wiki troll Trefoil13 / Jjik43, blocked infed. in several WPs. Trefoil13 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Clearly not here to contribute to the encyclopedia: Abusing multiple accounts", and de/WP: "Reason: Sperrumgehung, keine Besserung erkennbar" (Block evasion, no improvement). Jjik43 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Sock puppetry confirmed - SPI case Trefoil13", and in el/WP: "Reason: Κατάχρηση πολλαπλών λογαριασμών" (Sock puppetry). The troll's IPs must be locked for good, if possible. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * PS. Check Talk:Piraeus–Patras railway page just to get a further idea about the constant efforts of the troll, by using tricky arguments, to eliminate everything related to Piraeus (Olympiacos host city) from appearing in WPs namespace on any possible pretext he may think or fabricate. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 16:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Ckalk19 have a strong obsession about Piraeus exactly as vrahinarinaner have. Any contribute to a article related with even improve it called it Anti-Piraeus campaign and attack to the user. This is a paranoic thing. And of course nothing to do with olympiakos as the sports articles which users usually revert the vandalisms of this users Vrahomarinaner etc is panathinaikos or other team articles, or competitions. This user attack anyone with personal attacks and call it troll, have a agenda or be a puppet.--2A02:587:4417:E381:E467:F01:79A8:A1C5 (talk) 02:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The resentful troll strikes back in full force again ! Let me put down a couple of very interesting observations. The troll mentioned user Άλαν13 ("as he did to αλαν13"). Άλαν13, is a Panathinaikos fun and aggressive editor who is mainly active in el/WP and was for a while suspected to be a sock of Trefoil13 / Jjik43, because of imitation of their pattern in some ways. In August 19th a monthly page ban was imposed on Άλαν13 in el/WP, namely to refrain from writing in my user talk page, since he was continuously disturbing me with annoying posts. Now, right above, the troll is referring again to user Άλαν 13 through the provided links. Perhaps, a closer connection between those two (Trefoil13 / Jjik43 on one hand, and Άλαν13 on the other) does exist after all. Or, maybe, it's just the "master" who defends the "pupil", and attacks me one more time. Finally: the supposedly "anonymous" user claims that I blame others (of his kind, he means) with paranoic things. Well, how logical (= not paranoid) is to insist that two users (myself and user Οσελότος) who have no common behavioural pattern are the same person, Vrachmarinaner (!), and -moreover- all this based on a recent one and only contribution of that new account named Γουέμπλεϊ? ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Ckalk19 attack to anyone whom disagree with him or turn against vrahomarinaner vandalisms, this is his permanent tactics, please a clerk to run a CU Between jjik43 and Αλαν13 to proof another slander of Chalk19 to a wikipedia user--2A02:587:4417:E381:DCE:C3A0:1A49:6A5D (talk) 09:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

This whole section and request are both ridiculous acts of trolling, posted by an "anonymous" user, who has been previously banned from Wikipedia, and keeps chasing other users in retaliation. Chalk19's suspicions seem to be valid, as the wording and poor use of English language are strong indicators, pointing towards a well-known disgraced user. Even if I am wrong about their identity, please proceed with completing the user check as it will prove my original claims and justify my previous attempt to erase this request - that Chalk19 is completely unrelated to any sockpuppeting activities on Wikipedia. In regards to any anonymised approaches on this section, I find it extremely problematic that anyone can simply come in and submit their trolling requests by hiding their identity. This should be halted in the future to protect users like Chalk19 and create a more safe environment for the ones who have been contributing to Wikipedia for so many years. Any questions, please direct them to el WP as well. Glucken123 (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There isn't much to do, actually. User Οσελότος is stale, so even if he were V/M's sock (and mine !) it cannot be proven "technically"; furthermore, I think there is no point to block that account even based on behavioural terms, because its inactive since March. So, what is left ? I) to check if user Γουέμπλεϊ is me (!!!), II) to check if user Γουέμπλεϊ is a sock, that is to find connections with other active accounts, sleppers etc., that may belong to V/M; a pointless effort, since there are dozens of V/M's socks everywhere. Conclusion: the one and only reason of this surreal request is me: I have been targeted by a blocked troll, cought in the past using multiple identities, a spiteful troll because I was the one to have him exposed in several WPs. That what this request is all about. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say just play along for now until this baseless accusation collapses, so we can take it from there. It's basically the same pattern all the time: banned users, who were previously targeted for their inappropriate, and sometimes abusive, behaviour, now return in retaliation just to further abuse the ones who exposed their activity. Internet at its best. Glucken123 (talk) 11:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, I saw a warning in my user page that I may be a socketpuppet of Vrahomarinaner. I have no idea who this user is or what he's done but how come an editor expressed such a concern?! Sir Pretender 14:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * I think should have a look at these accounts as well as the reporter. Vrahomarinaner has a very specific obsession and I'm not seeing it here, but I'll wait for another opinion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:13, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The last opinion (almost a month ago) was that this was unlikely, and no progress since then. Most of the suspects haven't edited in a substantial amount of time anyway, so closing with no action taken. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Greek_Cup_finals&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greek_Football_Cup&dir=prev&offset=20200912200130%7C978083431&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history pro olympaikos and piraeus obsessions and disruptive editing. 94.66.221.9 (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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Classic Vrahomarinaner behavior, disruptive edits by multiple accounts and ip's in the same articles like this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history 2 accounts and two ip's only in one article --85.74.45.215 (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you give us a hint why you think these are socks? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I see a bunch of editors with strong opinions on Greek football, but I don't see enough similarity to justify a check, let alone a block. Closing without action. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)