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22 February 2012

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Similar editing habits, similar user names, user joined right around the time User:Fluttershy was blocked, knows an awful lot about policies for being only 21 days old, seems almost like a duck to me. Requesting CheckUser to check for sleepers and/or to confirm if they are indeed a sock. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 03:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * comment: i see only good edits from this account. why is it that fans of MLP are presumed to be sockpuppets? -badmachine 04:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at contributions from fluttershy and then pinkie pie. Almost identical editing patterns and as I said, the user is only 22 days old and knows a whole lot about policies. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 13:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * check out the archive and you'll see that argument has been used before. similar people with similar interests probably will edit in similar ways. My Little Pony is well known on the internet, and therefore draws people who will likely edit in similar ways. Wikipedia policies are also well known on the internet.. some might even say notoriously so. -badmachine 18:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not Pickbothmanlol, it's more of the stupid GNAA My Little Pony trolling crap. Night Ranger (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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From the given technical data, it's ostensibly. Pinkie Pie edits a very long way away from PBML. However there is still something odd going on that I would request another CU to take a look at. WilliamH (talk) 03:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree they are unlikely to be PBML. However, and  are ✅ matches to each other.  TN X Man  14:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Blocked and tagged Pinkie; left a warning with Wagner. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm, Pinkie Pie had rollback, I guess I'll remove that. Tiptoety  talk 19:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Will someone please move this to its own case? Also, we should probably update the block log entry so that it reflects accurate information. As it stands now, it makes it look like Pinkie Pie is Pickbothmanlol, which they are not. Also, not sure how this sock slipped by 2 CheckUsers, but is ✅, heck it is ✅. They even admitted to it in an edit summary.  Tiptoety  talk 19:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * SalfEnergy was renamed to Wagner, see the note here. I didn't mention it, as I believe they would not have had access to the previous account unless they re-registered it. TN X Man  20:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * According to him, he is still able to log into it. Tiptoety  talk 03:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If he has the SUL on the old name, and tries to log into it, it will be automatically created by SUL, which is I think what happened here. T. Canens (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

17 March 2012

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Edit habits are similar, Archimaredes has the same userboxes as user:Pinkie Pie (sock of wagner) had. Wagner lol is obvious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.40.220.107 (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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I've requested Checkuser for this case. I believe the case to be credible:


 * Pinkie_Pie and Archimaredes inserted User:WebHamster/fuck on their userpages at nearly the same time: ,
 * Pinkie_Pie and Archimaredes removed User:WebHamster/fuck from their userpages at nearly the same time:,.
 * Pinkie_Pie and Archimaredes inserted User:Arknascar44/Love_Cabal on each other's userpages at nearly the same time:,.
 * Archimaredes quickly turned to vandal-reverting:
 * In less than 24 hours after the account's creation, Archimaredes asked for "confirmed" status:.

I feel that it's unlikely for a "new user" to be watching Pinkie_Pie's userpage like a hawk and mimic the changes. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

In my defence, I am good friends with the person who owns the banned account Wagner, and I talk to him over multiple platforms on the Internet, including XFire, Steam, and Facebook, regularly. He introduced me to the editing/anti-vandalism process on Wikipedia not too long after he started his own account(s) (including his sock puppets). Wagner is a person who does things "for lulz", as he would put it; in this case, it included actually mimicking my account's actions in some ways, just so I would be accused of being a sock puppet of his. I don't know his real motivations, but again, he would say his motivation is "lulz". Also, the user boxes incident occurred because I saw Wagner's user boxes just after I created my account, and I had no idea how to use them; so I copied his over and modified them. There is no crime in that. Archimaredes (talk) 13:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Additional information: I talk to Wagner on XFire almost constantly, and the only reason I logged in today was to post this evidence in my defence, after Wagner actually told me on XFire that I had been accused of being his sock puppet. (I honestly don't understand his true motivations.) Anyway, I'm just including this because the fact that I immediately posted evidence after being inactive for ages may have seemed suspicious (which would not help my case...) Archimaredes (talk) 13:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Ugh. Wagner just told me over XFire that he actually filed this accusation himself, not logged in, under a "random proxy". Please do not be surprised at his stupidity, I deal with it a lot. Archimaredes (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Wagner also just confirmed that the IP address 70.40.220.107 was him under a proxy. If it comes to the worst, I will provide XFire chatlogs, but I'd rather not, as the conversations we have over that platform do not exactly reflect any type of intellect whatsoever. I'm completely serious. Archimaredes (talk) 14:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright. Sorry, although it's fortunate that I alerted you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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Based on technical evidence: Amalthea 13:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Filer is the same as . Account exclusively used web host proxies, I can't tie him to any other named account. Not that it matters.
 * Can't tie to any named account either. In fact, concurrent edits by Archimaredes and Pinkie pie on February 13 make it unlikely that they are the same person. Again though, since Archimaredes was only active for a few days it doesn't matter too much.
 * IP blocked 3 months. T. Canens (talk) 03:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

25 July 2012

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The Request for Unblock on his talk page makes me feel a little uneasy: My account sure was compromised. I got back online to find myself indefinitely blocked, and upon viewing the 'My contributions' page, I was mildly surprised (to say the least) to see the edits there. Firstly, I notice that a lot of vandalism took place on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wagner, somewhere I had been involved before; as the archive shows, '''I know the guy who had the User:Wagner account well. I will now controversially admit that I am fully aware that User:Ciaran_Sinclair (the other user involved in this apparent vandalism on the User:Wagner page) is the same person as User:Wagner, and I have evidence to prove it.''' If I am unblocked, this can be followed up elsewhere. I hope this leads somewhere profitable for all, gentlemen. Archimaredes (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC) 81M (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * All previous socks are . Elockid  ( Talk ) 21:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * User admitted that they are . Blocked and tagged. Tiptoety  talk 23:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

27 July 2012

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Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * - - plus  and ; sleepers and IP block if possible. T. Canens (talk) 13:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Group 1:
 * A blocked account, indecent to mention the name
 * A blocked account, indecent to mention the name


 * ✅ Group 2:


 * the following are related, Group 3, all editing via the same webhost, webhost now blocked:

-- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  17:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * and are ✅, editing from a different webhost than group 3, provided by the ISP of group 2.
 * is to group 2.
 * All except edit under the same UA.
 * Group 1 and Group 2 are . The useragent matches, the country matches, but I can't make heads or tales of how far these are apart as geolocation is not providing me with enough data.
 * is editing off of what looks to be a Brazilian proxy, now blocked. So to everyone, but is using the same UA as.
 * is on a proxy, now blocked.
 * is *sigh* ❌ to everything, but is still using the same UA.
 * Note: a sock admittance

Adding - Niudla sent an unblock request using the email foobyzeeky@..... I would think this confirms Niudla and Foobyzeeky are the same person.Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * All socks have been blocked; marking for close. Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 04:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

12 November 2012

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Blazeblades filed this disruptive SPI, which I deleted as vandalism. He also created the vandalistic redirect Blexzer. Mason Doering removed an IP's speedy deletion nomination. then renominated it for WP:RFD, where it was promptly speedily deleted as vandalism. Wognir then recreated the redirect, and I have deleted it as vandalism. In the aforementioned disruptive SPI, Blazeblades named Mason Doering as his master along with the IP, which has been blocked as. multiple times. Wognir's username is a close play on "Wagner". Furthermore, Mason Doering has been noticed as having the experience of somebody with 1000 times his edit count, and he mentioned being a WP:CLEANSTART account. Given his potential relation to the other two users, I am requesting checkuser to investigate these three accounts. Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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At first the IP blanked that redirect, so I reverted the blanking thinking it was vandalism, he later nominated it for speedy deletion so I asked the IP to take the redirect to RfD in an edit summary, which he later did, because the speedy deletion he nominated it for only applies to articles. I don't see how this links me in any way to this troll. Mason Doering (talk) 22:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that the IP initially blanked it, but it was who reverted the edit, not your account. The IP then replaced it with , which you correctly reverted and mentioned taking the redirect to RFD. I am not questioning your policy knowledge; I merely believe that you may be related to the troll, which is why I requested checkuser evidence when investigating this case. Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, lying will get me nowhere. I speak to Blazeblades/Wagner on Steam. He told me about the creation of the redirect. The IP is actually somebody that he dislikes called 'Blexzer', who wanted the redirect gone because it was attacking him. Blazeblades/Wagner told me that the IP had blanked it, so I told him to just revert it and nobody will notice anything. He then told me that the IP had nominated it for speedy deletion and he wanted my help to keep it there, I removed the speedy deletion nomination and told the IP to go to RfD, which I didn't actually expect the IP editor to do. Mason Doering (talk) 22:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Didn't expect srbstbsrb to come up here. He's my brother. He wanted to make an article about his school. Mason Doering (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * . Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wognir is, mobile IP.
 * Blazeblades appears to be ❌ to Mason Doering.
 * Mason Doering is ✅ with . -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  23:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm blocking Blazeblades and Wognir as socks of Wagner given behavioral evidence. I'm leaving Mason/Srbstbsrb since I can't see any abuse of multiple accounts with those two. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Closing.

27 November 2012

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we're all the same fag -- Mason Doering talk 22:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Let me start off by saying that although I have come across this Wagner malarkey on here before, the only way I am connected to it is that Mason Doering, a user I have trusted here in the past, just vandalised my user page twice with the words "(I'm Wagner.)" I don't know what he's playing at. This doesn't even seem to be a serious. He's telling me that I am effectively him. I honestly don't understand. This isn't like anything Mason would do. I hope this is resolved swiftly. --EM64T (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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I have already blocked Mason Doering for personal attacks and harassment of other users, including his edits  EM64t's user page. It may be a good idea to contact User:Philippe (WMF) about this if there are further questions, there appears to be a confidential matter involved here. If whatever CU that responds to this has OS as well they can see what I am referring to easily enough. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tagged Mason Doering and WagnC, and I've also blocked who was previously ✅ to be Mason Doering. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅, and .   is .  Risker (talk) 02:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the other socks. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

29 November 2012

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Self claimed sock of Wagner. See here. TorinCBT (talk) 02:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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 * WikiVoid and Nellup Drawde are to be Wagner, but Christopher Forster is  to be the same editor.
 * Might want to take a look at User:WikiVoid/David Riswick to see if there are any concerns there. &mdash; Coren (talk) 03:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The filer and his socks
 * Are all ✅. Fun.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 03:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked the puppets. Closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Are all ✅. Fun.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 03:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked the puppets. Closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked the puppets. Closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

13 January 2013

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This may seem weird, but this is not to accuse WikiVoid of being a sockpuppet. It's the opposite. I'll explain. I know User:Wagner and User:WikiVoid outside of Wikipedia quite well. User:Wagner is a self-proclaimed troll who, as you very well know, messes around on Wikipedia a lot. In one of the many SPI cases revolving around him, he randomly added User:WikiVoid as a suspected sockpuppet, for the purpose of lulz only, and as a result, User:WikiVoid was permanently blocked. I want this particular case reconsidered on behalf of User:WikiVoid, who was extremely pissed off, to be frank, about the whole thing. Nobody listened to his unblock requests either. User:WikiVoid also knows User:Wagner outside of Wikipedia, as we are a group of friends. I know evidence differentiating between 'close friends' and 'same person' online is very tenuous, but I implore you to stick with me here. I would like a more thorough investigation to take place on behalf of User:WikiVoid. This is purely selfless. I'm also putting my own account on the line here, as I have seen in the past misidentifications of this nature, where simply someone doing something for someone else is seen as sockpuppetry. Thanks for your cooperation. I would like to stress that I am a serious and well-intentioned Wikipedia editor, and I believe that User:WikiVoid is, too. I do not support User:Wagner's malicious intentions. SharptoothX (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * - This isn't really a good case for CU. CheckUser can only be used to establish that two accounts are connected - it is not used to provide evidence that they are NOT related. False negatives happen all the time, and it's not sufficient proof. ( X! ·  talk )  · @890  · 20:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't close this yet; I'm looking into something. Rschen7754 08:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have indefblocked SharptoothX as a sock of Wagner. I've spent several minutes reviewing behavior, and I've come to this conclusion. I will not be posting specifics onwiki, as it's clear that Wagner can read SPIs, but will be happy to clarify to other admins/clerks offwiki. --Rschen7754 09:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

14 January 2013

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Check his contributions, and his user page, etc. The name comes from the unblock request on User:SharptoothX's Sockpuppet. And yes, this is User:SharptoothX talking. Even if I am wrongly blocked, I can still get rid of Wagner's socks. 86.172.86.192 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * ✅, no unblocked sleepers, IP hardblocked for a while. &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the blatant sock. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

28 March 2013

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These accounts seem to be linked together somehow, an anonymous editor suggested they might be Wagner on Deskana's talk page. Yes Man! tc 00:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked as a clear sockpuppet account. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * After consulting with another CU and looking over the data again, it appears that the following are all ✅ as one:
 * As for whether they are Wagner or not, there's not much to go on from the technical side, so behavioral evidence will have be relied on. . ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Closing then, with all socks (including the filer) blocked. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing that strong of a correlation between Wagner and these accounts. If you're looking back through the archive for something to compare to be careful: as noted the reporting account was also a sock. NativeForeigner Talk 19:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As for whether they are Wagner or not, there's not much to go on from the technical side, so behavioral evidence will have be relied on. . ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Closing then, with all socks (including the filer) blocked. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing that strong of a correlation between Wagner and these accounts. If you're looking back through the archive for something to compare to be careful: as noted the reporting account was also a sock. NativeForeigner Talk 19:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing that strong of a correlation between Wagner and these accounts. If you're looking back through the archive for something to compare to be careful: as noted the reporting account was also a sock. NativeForeigner Talk 19:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

18 April 2013

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Ducks blocked per and, requesting sleeper check as this is obviously a LTA. Rschen7754 01:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * - Rschen7754 01:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Named accounts are a ✅ match, but I didn't see any obvious LTA master. Webhost blocked. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Darn. Closing then. Rschen7754 01:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

18 April 2013

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Wagner (see his SPI archive) often vandalises with the File:Myst face.jpg image, as well as harasses Ironholds often. AndyMarkis admitted here, bottom two are already proven to be AndyMarkis. Nano Shinonome (talk) 13:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Seeing as Wagner is the main sockpuppeteer here, shouldn't this be on his casepage instead? Torin O. Nice (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Couldn't hurt to include Nano Shinonome themselves in this investigation - any user whose first ever edit is to open a Wagner-related SPI rings alarm bells with me... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm Yes Man! if you want to know, according to Wikipedia a Wagner sock. Block me along with these if you like, I don't need this account. Nano Shinonome (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Blocked and tagged. Thanks, I guess... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * - - per above Rschen7754 22:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Everyone is, unsurprisingly perhaps, ✅ as Wagner. Everything I can find is already blocked. T. Canens (talk) 01:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

18 May 2013

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Duck, requesting sleeper check. Rschen7754 21:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * -  Rschen7754 21:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked, not tagging per DENY, closing. Rschen7754 01:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

18 June 2013

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Wagner's got a habit of self-reporting his own socks (using other socks to do so) - beats me as to why anyone would bother, but this is pretty suggestive. SMF 2.0.4 is obvious enough that I'm comfortable blocking without any further evidence, but I don't see any other blatant Wagnerisms in Walter Mouton's edits, though, so I'm requesting a CU - a sleeper check wouldn't hurt, anyway. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC) Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Several Wagner socks bagged and tagged. CU not especially helpful with Walter Mouton, although the account clearly belongs to someone older than their age on Wikipedia. WilliamH (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at one of the blocked socks after finding it elsewhere, and then saw this case, so I'll note that I found and blocked a few more older socks. As far as Mouton goes, I agree with WilliamH about the CU results. They and another blocked account are editing from the wrong continent, but whether they're a copycat troll, proxy editing for Wagner, or something else, they are certainly WP:NOTHERE. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Tagged, closing. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; © &#124; WER  19:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

20 July 2013

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Checkuser request. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * I asked that this SPI be opened after I ran a sleepers check on Exposing Juxtaposition. and  are [[Image:Artículo bueno.svg|16px]] Technically indistinguishable. GreenCKE is  . NW ( Talk ) 02:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged Sh i r ik  ( Questions or Comments? ) 02:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

12 August 2013

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User admitted to being Wagner and also disclosed these four sockpuppets. Insulam Simia (talk) 11:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Handled and closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

15 August 2013

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No real disturbance here, but I'm not familiar with the case, so I just want to bring it to everyone's attention. The first IP signed an AfD !vote as Wagner and then the second removed Sinebot's addition from a different but similar IP. Both geolocate to London (the general area that Wagner's used IPs from before); one site claims both are static, I don't really understand IT stuff but looks like the same to me. Ansh666 00:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the IPs. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

23 August 2013

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Edits on sock and quotes another sock on their user page. I am One of Many (talk) 22:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * - - for sleeper check. Rschen7754 23:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A checkuser looked at this, and all socks have been blocked. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)