Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wiki Greek Basketball/Archive

Evidence submitted by Snigbrook
started editing in 2008, in a two-month gap in edits by, then stopped several days before Wiki Greek Basketball returned. Wiki Greek Basketball was recently blocked indefinitely from editing and evaded the block by using an IP address,, which has also been blocked. Four minutes after the last edit from that IP address, Euroleague Basketball Project, previously inactive since 2008, returned and has edited many of the same articles. snigbrook (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
The account that he is talking about belonged to my cousin. He was blocked but I did not have anything to do with that account. My account has never been blocked and i have never evaded any block either. As far as I am aware I have not broken any sockpuppet rules since it is two different people with two different accounts. My account has never been blocked. As far as I know I should not be held responsible for anything someone else did on another account.Euroleague Basketball Project (talk) 08:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * A search on Pietrodn "Intersect Contribs" on Toolserver here shows 614 pages which both and  have worked on. Some of them have only been edited by those two users (or IP users) (such as A.G.O._Rethymno_Aegean_BC) or mainly edited by these two users and 2 or 3 others (such as AO Pagrati BC). The editing pattern is similar too: both make a series of small edits to the same article in a short period of time, without using preview. WGB was advised to use preview, but failed to do so. I have asked EBP to use preview more often as well, but as they are not apparently online, they would not have had an opportunity to either read it or respond. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
I am not buying the "I'm his cousin" excuse. The timing of the IP and this account (both coming right after WGB's block on the same articles with the same types of edits is not coincidental). Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Phantomsteve
This is based on the fact that of the IPs 3 edits, the first was to blank Requests for adminship/Wiki Greek Basketball. I am not on my home computer, so I cannot compare this IP with the IP I have from emails which WGB has sent to me in the past (although I know that this would not be 'admissable' as evidence here, it would help to convince me more, or convince me that I am wrong!). I feel that the odds that a new user would just happen to come across that RfA and decide to blank it - and it not be WGB is so low, that it's near enough non-existent. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 12:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 12:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

– This may well just be a disruptive IP or an IP sock of someone else. In either case, I don't think it's wise to expose that publicly via a CU being run. I would just say to either monitor the IP (or alternatively block) and move on. –MuZemike 13:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Blocked 48h for block evasion. Tim Song (talk) 14:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A fair point, MuZemike - I will bear that in mind should I run across a similar situation. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Axolotl Nr.733
First, I haven't been involved in that case so far, so there might be other users that could judge the case better than I can. Second, to make it short: The account "I Will Be What I Will To Be" (it is up to you to interpret if it's really "good will" that's meant here...) was created a bit more than a month after WGB's proven sockpuppet "Euroleague Basketball Project" had been banned. Since then, the user has mainly edited articles on European basketball, with a focus on Greek basketball, just like the aforementioned users did. Some of these articles have been edited by few other users. For example, the article Euroleague Awards, created by "Euroleague Basketball Project", had red links to separate articles about the different awards for months. User "I Will Be What I Will To Be" has just created those articles, and he has created an accordant article for the ULEB's other competition, the Eurocup, a month ago. The most striking proof for sockpuppetry, however, is that user "I Will Be What I Will To Be" seems to share the desire of user "Wiki Greek Basketball" to completely capitalize all basketball positions: Edit. As for the users' editing styles, user "I Will Be What I Will To Be" seems to not make use of the preview button either, often editing the same article multiple times within a few minutes. He also has been pretty active recently. On the other hand, he at least sometimes (although still quite rarely) uses the edit summary. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
Pietrodn's Intersect Contribs shows that and  have edited 51 articles in common (out of the 71 articles edited by IWBWIWTB.

The same tool shows that and  have edited 39 articles in common.

A quick calculation (copy and pasting to Excel and sorting by article) shows that there are 38 (out of the 71 articles edited by IWBWIWTB, about 54%) articles which all three users have edited in common - which I would suggest is too much of a coincidence to be a different editor.

The same process shows that there are 52 (out of the 71 articles edited by IWBWIWTB, 73%) articles which at either WGB and/or EBP has edited in common with IWBWIWTB - again, too much of a coincidence. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

– Behavioral evidence and editing patterns clearly indicate that this is Wiki Greek Basketball. No CU necessary. –MuZemike 19:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 19:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)