Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xtian1313/Archive

Report date May 2 2009, 17:59 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

March 24, editing in article space as 69.239.114.107, 19:59
 * editing talk pages as Xtian1313, 20:15 onward

April 7, editing talk pages as Xtian1313, 17:03-18:17
 * editing Jessicka as 69.239.49.119, 18:25

April 13, editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 18:27
 * editing talk page as Xtian1313, 18:40
 * editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 18:43-19:04
 * editing talk page as Xtian1313, 19:24-20:13
 * editing Dita Von Teese as Xtian1313, 20:26
 * editing Jessicka and Jared Gold as 69.238.165.217, 20:28-20:48
 * editing talk pages and noticeboards as Xtian1313, 22:56-23:42

April 14, editing talk pages and noticeboards as Xtian1313, 14:21-14:38
 * editing Scarling as 69.238.165.217, 14:50-14:52
 * editing talk pages and noticebards as Xtian1313, 15:19-17:05

April 15, editing talk page as Xtian1313, 2:42 A*editing Jessicka and Jared Gold as 69.238.165.217, 2:49-2:50

April 16, editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 1:44-1:57
 * editing talk page as Xtian1313, 2:10-2:14
 * editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 2:17-2:18
 * editing talk page as Xtian1313, 2:45-3:29

April 17, editing image page as Xtian1313, 15:27
 * editing Kyle Justin as editing talk page as Xtian1313, 15:32

April 21, editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 17:00-17:15
 * editing talk page as Xtian1313, 17:32-17:34
 * editing article ad talk pages as 69.238.165.217, 17:44-18:49

April 22, editing talk page as Xtian1313, 18:30-18:39
 * editing Jessicka as 69.238.165.217, 18:44-18:44

May 1, editing Roman Dirge as 69.238.165.217, 19:28-19:28
 * editing talk pages as Xtian1313, 19:34-22:17
 * editing Kyle Justin and Scarling as 69.238.165.217, 22:23-23:35

Other IP addresses and SPAs that appear to be involved:


 * 69.230.175.21
 * 69.230.163.107
 * 69.239.112.1
 * 69.238.51.117
 * 69.239.51.98
 * 71.128.113.222
 * 70.183.56.33
 * 69.239.51.83
 * 69.238.75.3
 * 69.238.72.218
 * 69.227.166.173
 * 69.230.169.54
 * 71.128.71.219
 * 69.238.49.202
 * User:SweetDB
 * 69.224.123.165
 * User:Quietcharms
 * 69.239.85.235
 * User:FriendwithP
 * 69.238.50.123
 * 71.128.68.130
 * user:Imagica1
 * 69.238.219.58
 * 69.230.175.233
 * 71.129.20.107
 * User:Skeleteen
 * 69.239.85.29

And that's only going back two years; this has been going on for a long time. User:Xtian1313 claims to be Christian Hejnal, and the pages involved would be his, his wife's, and several of his current and former associates, assuming the claim is true. He is trying to effect ownership of the articles and trying to avoid the requirements of WP:BLP and WP:RS, turning the articles on his current friends into promo pieces and his former friends into less favorable pieces.


 * Evidence submitted by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

Like I've written over and over. I am who I say I am. I've supplied an email address several times: scarlingmusic@aol.com in order to reach me by phone to confirm my identity. I've looked back at some of the edits that user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz claims to be me. These edits were not made by me and they are not destructive. I have not advertised Wikipedia articles to my friends, family members, or communities of people who agree with me, so that they come to Wikipedia and support my side of this debate and give the appearance of consensus. Like I've said previously I am in a band we have a decent fan base of fans who will make postive edits.

I will once again say this user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has a serious COI in the articles listed below. Regarding their comments made here:

"I've been removing flagrantly inappropriate material from a small, interwoven set of articles about very minor-league "celebrities" involved in the LA club scene, mostly associated with buzznet.com."

It very clear to me that they have some issue with this circle of people and has been editing their pages in order to discredit them.

If anybody is trying to assume ownership of the articles and trying to avoid the requirements of wiki, it's user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. He's trying to discredit my associates by gaming the system.

Also, I'd like to address this false accusation made by user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, "I also suspect that he has also begun editing as User:Parenttrap within the last day or so, although it may be impossible to verify this by Checkuser since he is a musician and travels regularly. Note, however, that both Parenttrap and Xtian1313 edit almost exclusively on subjects related to Xtian1313's bands and related musicians, and that both mark all edits as minor. "

I am not User:Parenttrap and I do not know them. I've not been a touring musician since 2006-7. I am currently a producer on a film located in LA. I do not travel regularly. Know that I'm here in good faith to clear this up but this user's constant finger pointing and false assumptions are truly beginning to work my patience. Xtian1313 (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Now user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is editing my page. Why is that ok why we have not resolved this conflict Here: I really need something to be done. The rules are supposed to work for everybody here, correct? Xtian1313 (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

The accounts listed above as possible socks of Xtian all stopped editing in the summer of 2007. Even a checkuser would not reveal a connection between these accounts should there be one.

As for the rest, what it suggests is not necessarily socking as editing intermittently without logging in. What we're looking for here at SPI is evidence that the policy governing the use of alternate accounts and editing while logged out (WP:SOCK) has been violated. That requires diff evidence of, for instance, duplicate participation in discussions to suggest a false consensus, duplicate voting, using separate accounts or IPs to edit war, etc. So far it doesn't look like evidence of this sort of thing has been presented. The other issues (ownership of articles, editing with a conflict of interest, etc.) belong at an administrator noticeboard like WP:AN/I.

I'll return to this in about 24 hours to see if significant evidence has been presented (or if users have stated their intention to offer this evidence). If no comment is made, I'll mark this report closed. Nathan  T (formerly Avruch) 15:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Response: I believe Xtian1313 is violating WP:SOOK by 1) attempting to avoid scrutiny by editing pages with which he has a direct COI as an IP while complaining about other user's edits to those pages from his own account, and 2) using the IPs as "bad hand" accounts (edit warring, etc) while using his own account as the "good hand" account. I believe he is deliberately editing while logged out (and logging in and out) in an attempt to evade WP:SOCK and related policies.  I also suspect that he has also begun editing as User:Parenttrap within the last day or so, although it may be impossible to verify this by Checkuser since he is a musician and travels reularly. Note, however, that both Parenttrap and Xtian1313 edit almost exclusively on subjects related to Xtian1313's bands and related musicians, and that both mark all edits as minor. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

This is a complete lie. Please feel free to check my IP address. I just edited the article My Ruin which to my knowledge has nothing to do with user:Xtian1313. I will be editing articles that have to do with women in music. I do not understand why user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is A. allowed to make these accusations and B. allowed to edit articles that have anything to do with user:Xtian1313. It is VERY clear from this witch-hunt that this person has a clear COI with all articles that have anything to do with User:Xtian1313.

Parenttrap (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, My Ruin is a band with which Xtian's wife Jessicka has recorded. []


 * And- Just for the record, you edit every article having to do with my wife, our associates, and myself. COI?

Why are you editing my wiki page if you have a COI of interest with me personally?

What do these edits made by User:Parenttrap have to do with my wife or myself????


 * 21:52, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) Not Bad for a Girl ‎ (top)
 * 21:29, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) Babes in Toyland (band) ‎ (→Biography)
 * 21:27, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) Babes in Toyland (band) ‎ (added Not Bad for a girl section with link)
 * 21:26, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) L7 (band) ‎ (→Other Appearances: added not bad for a girl reference link) (top)
 * 21:22, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) L7 (band) ‎ (→History: Added Jennifer Finch story)
 * 21:19, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) L7 (band) ‎ (added article that states they are connected to "grunge")
 * 21:17, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) m L7 (band) ‎ (→History)
 * 21:16, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) L7 (band) ‎ (→History: added article link)
 * 21:13, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) m L7 (band) ‎
 * 21:07, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) m Lunachicks ‎ (→Biography: fixed "D" capitol) (top)
 * 21:06, 14 May 2009 (hist) (diff) Lunachicks ‎ (→Biography: added link to Helen Destroy reference)

Xtian1313 (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions


 * I'm not seeing evidence here that proves or is strongly suggestive of a link between Parenttrap and Xtian1313, or evidence that 3RR or other tenets of WP:SOCK were violated by the IP editing if the IP and Xtian1313 are the same user. Please refile if you find further evidence, and present that evidence using diffs specifically. Nathan  T 16:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Nathan. Archiving the case.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  23:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)