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All these IPs sign their talk page posts as ₯€₠€₯. ,, , ,. What they have in common with Yoyi ling is that almost all of their mainspace edits have to do with Punjabi dialects, and they all revert any article expansions or rewrites that challenge their view that Hindko and Saraiki should always be referred to as dialects of Punjabi. They have also voted in pairs in related discussions: Hindko RM, ; Saraiki RM , , Move review , +  and RfC , ; Pothohari RM ,. These posts are strikingly similar in tone, style and command of English. The IPs have also posted messages to the suspected master's talk page.

They have also exhibited some peculiar common behaviours:
 * reverting mainspace edits with the odd edit summary "forumshop": ,
 * reverting an edit on one article and giving an explanation for that (referenced in the edit summary) within the RM discussion of a completely different article: ,
 * peculiar use of the word "ego" when talking about my edits: (in edit summary),
 * strange argument about breaking "language hierarchy": (in edit summary),

Full disclosure and notes: I have occasionally edit warred with these users.There is a previous SPI for this user at Sockpuppet investigations/LanguageXpert/Archive. – Uanfala (talk) 18:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Yoyi ling (talk) 06:51, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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I swear by my mom that I am not Yoyi ling or LanguageXpert. I confess I had an account with my original name. Which was blocked. I used that account for ten months and got blocked. I forgot its password so can not apply for block removal. I can not tell you name of account because that is my real life name. Anyone writing in Pakistani English and supporting Dialect is not me. Dialect debate be decided by merit as requested. I will register new account once you allow me and follow policies. Even if you don't allow I simply request you that always resolve content disputes on merit. God have given you powers to rule English Wikipedia. Do your best to do justice with your honour. Be fair and accommodate as many users you can, Forgive mistakes. We all make mistakes. Encourage brilliance and improvement. Strictness is not solution being fair and ignoring others mistakes is. I am a Muslim and respect all religions. In Quran God says when you forgive some human I will forgive your sins. If you care for humans I will care for you. If you will hide others mistakes I will hide your mistakes and give you respect in the world. Trust me give chance to maximum people un block them. Let them learn and improve. If some one is disruptive to a page. Simply protect that page to a category just like Senior editor, Admin only or confirmed user. just because me and Yoyi ling were contesting you. You filed an SPI against us. Look at your edits, you are confused yourself. Sariaki is a language/Variety/dialect. Potwari is transitional/dialect. Hindko is dialect/variety/Language. then what about Jhangvi, shahpuri, Jandali, Chachi, Malwi, Majhi, Riasti, thalochi , Derawali, Multani, Bagri, Doabi, Dhani, Jaangli, Naswani, Changvi. By your logic if they all are languages then congratulations for adding 20 odd new languages to the world. Atleast look at local user. You can not even know a single difference among them. I know all. But may be I am not as lucky as you are to escape all edit wars. I am ₯€₠€₯ my intent of this edit was to help you in doing your good job. I am ready for any block but please do give me a thought. All IPS 39.50.84.196, 39.51.204.132, 39.60.247.238, 39.60.129.46, 39.60.232.41 are MINE and never hide them I used my logo ₯€₠€₯ with them. I have no control on IP address selection so its not my fault.


 * IPs deaed is rightly swaering, i also swaer i am not him, He confuss socking, I am not. However I have decided to deactivate my account to protest behavior of member Uanfla who reported us. He is edit warring and forum shopping but no action taken.This is not a way to resolve content dispute Yoyi ling (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

SMS you also filed S P I against me which failed so please keep your shut here on. I am not IP Deaed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoyi ling (talk • contribs) 06:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The more this user edits the more firmly I believe that Yoyi ling is LX. -- S M S Talk 01:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a shared opinion that the IPs are languageXpert (User_talk:RegentsPark), although there hasn't been any mention of Yoyi ling there. – Uanfala (talk) 09:57, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * PROOF # 1 =IP Deaed had been regularly messaging me on talk page. How can he be my sock.


 * PROOF # 2 = I have already passed not being language expert in a S P I.


 * PROOF # 3 = When hindko dialect was moved with out discussion IP deaed pinged me for asking me to move reversal


 * PROOF # 4 = IP Deaed never edited Saraiki dialect, Hindko dialect which I mainly did, nor he did my others


 * PROOF # 5 = I never edited Ghebi dialect, Chhachi dialect, Pothohari dialect which were favorite of IP deaed and a lot other articles


 * PROOF # 6 = Average timing of IP are totally different from me

at times I copy pasted his summaries and comments but proofs are already there. We share same position that language hierarchy should not be targeted for sake of ego of Uanfala Yoyi ling (talk) 06:51, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Re #4: The IP user wouldn't have been able to edit Saraiki dialect and Hindko dialect as they're semi-protected. As for the timing (#6): your comments on the Saraiki RM were posted within a minute of one another. – Uanfala (talk) 09:57, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Re #1: This kind of deception has happened before too. LX socks talk with each other to avoid suspicions.
 * Re #2: No you haven't. CU said you "appear" to be unrelated. I read it as a borderline case between inconclusive and unrelated.
 * Re #6: Adding to what Uanfala has already said, today you came to restore 39.60.x.x 's edit within minutes after the IP was blocked. -- S M S Talk 12:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@Smsarmad I saw all details Abt LX, you had some kind of personal tiff with him. you keep on reporting him. may be u feel your self inferior to level of cleverness he showed. Its not my problem. I also sweared that I am none of these. But you must be in Lx pain so you allegating me. I request not to put me in enemy burnor. I am not Lx or IP deaed.

Re # 4 then ghebi dialect chhachi dialect, potwari dialect were un protected why I didn't edit them by your logics. As far hindko dialect is concerned IP pinged me to get involve to edit that.

Re # 1 what LX sock did is not relevant here because I have already passed S P I on it. Two, if one of our common hundred edits match by one minute then that is just a normal coincidence. Same can happen among you and him.

Re # 2 it is what u want to assume, admin are best judges

Re # 6 restore was good because if you allege him then give him chance to defend.

I will not object even if you play a closer. You can block me but I know it very very clearly that blocking me will be total mis judgement and unfair. I swaer I am not guilty plz give me a fair chance.behavior evidence just because we both consider saraiki as a dialect and use Pakistani English is in fair with out any technical link.Yoyi ling (talk) 01:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

BIGGEST PROOF= in recent times none of LX sock came to defend himself. I am not LX I know that's why I am here to defend myself. Uanfala has content dispute with me. So his efforts are obvious. IP deaed had been editiong totally different articles while I had been different. If u single out one two common page. Then by same way I can say Uanfala and Smsarmad are socks. They both used Re# in their edits. They both support saraiki as language on saraiki dialect talk page. Both use same kind of English. They both filed separate S P I against me. They both restored each other edits. They both are here in this SPI discussion. So both are behaviourally sock to each other ??? It is no way to resolve content dispute.Yoyi ling (talk) 01:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Confirmed LanguageXpert

LanguageXpert is known for accusing his opponents (unrelated established editors) of socks during content dispute. Yoyi ling is also accusing the above users as socks. Now he is pretending to be Japanese and editing Japanese articles, as he did as posing Indian with,. Posing as Chinese.

is using wrong spellings to show himself different from IPs. This intentional spelling mistakes is characteristic of LanguageXpert socks. His actual English skill is of the IP's English. The IP's English is better than, and this is what he wants others to think; that they are different users. He has definitely moved to a different IP range to confuse Check users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sultan's Assassin (talk • contribs) 05:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * what is this ? A joke. A completely new member Sultan's Assassin make his first edit and blames me LX, senior admins have already passed me not LX in a SPI. 2nd anyone accusing others sock is LX then Smsarmad and Uanfala accused me sock. By default they become LX socks. 3rd I myself told everyone I am using Pakistani English and edit history. I am multani history student. I have done thesis on mohanjodaro. I claim people of harapa and mohnjodaro both are known as harapians. Both speak saraiki dialect of west punjabi as per my thesis.If LX goes to wash room he sleeps he eats he drinks he prays he exercise then we all are LX. Note Last line was a joke to make everyone smileYoyi ling (talk) 06:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Due to nervousness after reading my comment, he is using his original English skill. Now he is not editing with wrong spellings as, "IPs deaed is rightly swaering, i also swaer i am not him, He confuss socking, I am not. However I have decided to deactivate my account to protest behavior of member Uanfla who reported us. He is edit warring and forum shopping but no action taken.This is not a way to resolve content dispute Yoyi ling (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sultan's Assassin (talk • contribs) 06:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sultan's Assns what are you talking about. If you want time pass then at least do it on useful history  .Yoyi ling (talk) 06:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I agree with on this. While the technical link may not be compelling, the behavioral link is quite strong and it's not very different from the recent Touristerman and "I'm from his area and like his travel agency" sock. The topic and editing behavior also coincide. I'd just like another admin or clerk/CU to also evaluate this. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The longer this goes on the greater the behavioral match between Yoyi ling and LanguageXpert. I've blocked as a suspected sock despite 's "appears unrelated" finding. (Bbb23 or  if you think this should be overturned then please do so as you both are familiar with the behavior and the technical aspects of this sock draw). Otherwise this should be merged with Sockpuppet investigations/LanguageXpert (after closing). I'm not closing now as I think either of the two CUs familiar with this may want to take a look before that happens. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:03, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've also blocked Sultan's assassin as a suspected sock of . &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want to block and tag the account, that's up to you, but this case should not be moved to LanguageXpert. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)