Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ytcracker/Archive

Report date May 25 2009, 13:12 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Whether it's sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry, IDK, but either way there's been a MASSIVE influx of "keep votes at Articles for deletion/YTCracker (3rd nomination). All of the listed IP's and accounts voted to keep the article. Here is why I am (and many other editors are) suspicious of these accounts and IP's: And I'm 100% confident that this isn't all of them; seriously, in all the time I've been here on Wikipedia, this is probably the worst case of vote-stacking/meatpuppetry I have ever seen. &rarr;  Dylan 620  (Toolbox Alpha, Beta) 13:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by &rarr;  Dylan 620  (Toolbox Alpha, Beta)
 * returned from an 18-month wikibreak to vote to keep the YTCracker article.
 * 's fourth edit was to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * returned from a wikibreak of nearly two years to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's first edit was to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's first edit was also to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's second edit – with the first being the creation of his userpage back in early September – was to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's first edit was to vote "lol" (?) on the AfD.
 * 's first edit was to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's second edit (the first being to the YTCracker article) was to vote "keep" on the AfD. Please note that TRS is currently blocked indefinitely by.
 * 's first edit was to vote "keep" on the AfD.
 * 's first edit was to troll at the AfD.
 * 's first edit was to vote "keep" at the AfD.
 * 's fifth edit was to vote "keep" (without bolding the word) at the AfD.
 * 's only edit so far was to vote "keep" at the AfD.
 * 's fourth edit since coming off of his November 2008 - May 2009 wikibreak was to vote "keep" at the AfD. Chozo subsequently ranted at me when I voted "delete" at the AfD due to the tremendous amount of suspected sockpuppetry. Note that Chozo is presently indef-blocked by.

I won't deny that DigitalGangster was how I found out about this situation, but a simple google search of "chozo ninpo" will show that I'm an avid member of the Nerdcore community. I know it doesn't mean much, but I would have found out about this whether at DG or not. Nerdcore as a genre and a community are relevant to my interests and envelope approximately 75% of my daily routine, so it's only natural that I'd be one of the people commenting and voting on the YTCracker article just like I've done for other notable Nerdcore artists.
 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.
 * Note -- I'd also like to point out that none of the users were warned or investigated in any way, as defined per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WARN. --chozo_ninpo (talk) 11:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I am also an avid listener to Nerdcore music, specifically Bryce, AKA YTCracker. I currently own multiple CD's of his, both paid for and freely distributed. He has even toured where I live, Chicago. Either way, I stand by my vote as I am a helpful contributor to the Wikipedia community and you can see that by the list of sources I provided in favor of my opinion. I recommend removing this accusation immediately. --Morreo (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

This might be on of my newest Wiki acc's, but most of mine I either forgot the un/pw of them. If you see clearly I am not a sockpuppet, due tot he fact that I actually did not edit this article at my first sign up. I edited The Sims 3 talk, when it was discussing whether the leaked should counted into the article. I am sorry that you are blind about that, and want to say I am a meat and/or sockpuppet, and accusing without your failed evidence. I do listen to YTC, and am an avid poster at digitalgangster. Just because I want to help in the vote to keep his article means I am a sock puppet, than that editing any other article about your favorite musician should be accusing of sock puppetry. I also recommend removing this accusations. Also, l2accuse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T0rba (talk • contribs) 19:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm obviously involved so here's a link to the AN/I report and a link to Ytcracker's forum where he's calling on his sled dogs for help. Law type! snype? 13:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments by other users
 * I was present in the AfD long before Ytcracker's fans showed and I feel I need to comment here as well. The post Law linked to above appears to have happened after User:Ytcracker was blocked. Tothwolf (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No. TY refactored his comment to reflect his blocked status, as seen by the edit timestamp in his own post. His original post, as you can tell by the responses was about the AfD. His next post says he is engaged in an edit war, so obviously not blocked. It doesn't really matter anyway. Outside forums are of little if any use here - this is to determine if any sockpuppets were used. I linked to the forum to help weed out the meats from the socks. Law type!  snype? 14:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering that Nwnerdcore is TG from the NorthWestNerdcore promoting team in Washington state, he's not a sock. I've met Mattqatsi, he lives in Chicago, IL, not a sock.  I've also known BLUNTBILL and Theredspecial (who brought the fixed the article instead of requesting deletion for it...) for a long time, not socks.  Morrero also lives in Chi-town, not a sock.  Most of the people on this list (aside from IP's because I don't know those specifically) I've met in passing somewhere in the USA.  If you'd like to see some pictures check out the Tour's section of my myspace. (posted at my User page) --chozo_ninpo (talk) 10:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Note – I have added two more suspected socks as seen on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/YTCracker (3rd nomination). MuZemike 15:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - So anyone that votes to keep the article is automatically considered a "sockpuppet" now? Duster is NOT YTCracker, he lives on the East Coast.  You don't see any of us posting that the negative voters are all "sockpuppets".  Can we keep the vote based on the material please? --chozo_ninpo (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested by &rarr;  Dylan 620  (Toolbox Alpha, Beta) 13:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Based on the discussion above, I suspect that this is a case of canvassing rather than socking. But the huge influx of new and retired editors to this AfD is suspicious, and a CU to weed out socks if there are any would be helpful. (Technically, CU requests for this reason are meant to wait until after the outcome of a vote and require that the potential vote stacking effected the outcome. I'm endorsing anyway, but the responding CU may decline for that reason.) Nathan  T 15:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Closing admin at Articles for deletion/YTCracker (3rd nomination) states that meatpuppet votes were discounted when judging consensus, so no need. -- Avi (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Icestorm815 •  Talk  00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)