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Same primary focus on aviation crashes; e.g.: The account arose 3 July 2021 during 's week long block of 29 June 2021 on Commons to evade the sanction, but has since been used on en.wiki to double-vote (e.g., Articles for deletion/Longtail Aviation Flight 5504 -- Airline Plane Crash, Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito.)  Accounts are confirmed on Commons (data are here)--requesting check so en.wiki can have its own record and to check for sleepers as the Commons RfCU found several undetected accounts. Эlcobbola talk 03:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2021 Nigerian Air Force Beechcraft King Air 350i crash -- Article created and heavily edited by Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito; Airline Plane Crash adds image uploaded by Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito, following CommonsDelinker removal of deleted Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito copyvio.
 * Skydive Örebro DHC-2 Turbo Beaver crash - Airline Plane Crash, Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito
 * 2001 Japan Airlines mid-air incident -- Airline Plane Crash, Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito
 * China Airlines Flight 676 -- Airline Plane Crash, Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito
 * 2021 Philippine Air Force C-130 crash -- Airline Plane Crash, Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito

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 * ✅ plus the following accounts:
 * ., closing. Mz7 (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ., closing. Mz7 (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ., closing. Mz7 (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ., closing. Mz7 (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Pretty obvious block evasion. Restoring edits by blocked editor/socks in this case: Wiki common no freedom (,, , Aircraft Crash . Edits in American International Airways Flight 808 (which had a sock  of Sockpuppet investigations/Sidowpknbkhihj active) and SiLA Airlines Flight 42 (where master here was active). Oh, and a vote in an AfD of an article created by the master.  Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 07:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Yup, . Unfortunately, there's probably not much point in blocking the IP by now, especially since we're looking at a mobile range and there has been no other activity on the /15 since the first. I'll revert the edits and strike the !vote, though.  --Blablubbs (talk) 10:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll reopen this so I or someone else can decide whether a merge into Sockpuppet investigations/Sidowpknbkhihj is needed. I can certainly see some similarities from a cursory glance, but I haven't had time for a deep dive (and log data comparison may be worthwhile too). --Blablubbs (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any strong reason to think they're the same. There's some overlap for sure, but Sidowpknbkhihj is mostly into weather and Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito is mostly into aviation.  And the timecards from the two most prolific users from the two cases are significantly different..  I'm going to close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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218.210.98.35 is continuing where 111.71.213.202 left off, continuing sockpuppet edits on SiLA Airlines Flight 42 (c: p: ), Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2021 (c:, p: ), Template:Accidents and incidents involving hot air balloons (reverting block evasion revert), List of airlines of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (reverting block evasion revert), 2021 South Sudan Supreme Airlines Let L-410UVP-E crash (reverting block evasion revert). This IP is listed as a possible static IP, so maybe a block here is possible. Protection for the articles is probably called for.  Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 07:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * The IP is clearly no longer active. Closing without further action. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Only edits are a vote at Articles_for_deletion/Sierra_West_Airlines_Flight_887 and edits of the main article, which was created by. Quacking pretty loudly. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Nikolai's only other edits other than the AFD were to 2021 Menzelinsk parachute Let L-410UVP-E crash which isn't an article created by Mil Mi....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Since Qwailplayer is ignoring my ping, I think this SPI should be closed/CU request denied. There isn't a quacking duck here with the evidence that's been provided so far....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I didn't intend to ignore your ping, my apologies. I had thought your input was just a correction/clarification, not a motion against SPI/CU. That said, I still think there's reason for concern that this is a case of sockpuppetry to manipulate an AfD. The fact that was created less than 2 hours after the | relist of Articles_for_deletion/Sierra_West_Airlines_Flight_887, and the fact that the first edit on the account was to vote on an AfD of a relatively obscure aviation accident, agreeing with the only keep !vote, leads me to believe these accounts might be connected. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 19:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I still don't think there is enough here. A newbie showing up at AFD for their first edit is suspicious but there is no proof it is Mil Mi-888....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * There is a shared interest here, including cross-wiki (both uploading images of planes to commons and both have accounts at zhwiki and ruwiki). Still thinking about whether there is enough evidence here, but my suspicions are raised with these two accounts. It may be using two accounts in good faith if they are the same person. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 22:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - I think there is enough evidence to justify a check. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 15:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * is ✅ to . is ✅ to  to . Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 15:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaving for clerks/admins/other CUs to decide on the lengths of blocks appropriate. Ping me if you want me to block as CU block. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 15:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked the master for two weeks given the votestacking and the socks indef. Closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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Both IPs trace to a similar geographical location (with previous IPs in this case), both have an interest in aviation disasters, both have poor grammar in [] and appear to be vote stacking to illustrate a WP:POINT after a number of the puppet master's articles on smaller aircraft crashes were deleted. Gorden 2211 (talk) 04:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * It's pretty clear that these two IPs (and the two in the archives) are all the same person, but I'm not seeing any strong evidence that they're YSGK. Closing with no action taken. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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Very similar to sockmaster account - interests in airplane crashes and baseball players. They also have poor grammar, by writing 'It's too rush to say delete' in [], like with the IP addresses and earlier accounts. Similar habit of uploading images to Commons, although now with allowed licenses. Gorden 2211 (talk) 05:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, so from [] to [] all Tupolev154crash did was insert images through multiple edits into the article that were later reverted for being cluttered and unnecessary, while adding little substance to the article.
 * On the already blocked Wiki common no freedom account, [] and [] are just adding images without adding actual substance to the articles.
 * On the original sock master account, [] to [], [] and [] are also just adding images in, again without substance, and done through multiple edits, instead of in one go. Gorden 2211 (talk) 02:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's possible to link Mil-888 ([]) to Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito. That account was only registered after the YSGK was blocked (after an additional 5 days of IP editing) and is a prolific commons uploader.
 * The reason I think they can be linked is their preference for overly detailed title: []. Instead of Swearingen Merlin, YSGK gave it the title Swearingen SA226-T(B). Similarly, Mil Mi-888 [] proposed renaming the title to Pilatus PC-12/47E crash, an overly detailed title, again instead of the common name of the aircraft: Pilatus PC-12. This is a very convoluted and rarely seen way of writing the title, as it is not the COMMONNAME.
 * Also, their contributions show the majority of their edits are adding images [], along with occasionally creating an article or adding to one.
 * They both use 'crews' incorrectly. 'Two crews' [] (Mil Mi-888), 'four crews' [] (YSGK). Gorden 2211 (talk) 11:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * Two people both being interested in air crashes and baseball players, being non-native English speakers, and being active on Commons is not a distinctive enough similarity to justify action.   --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 01:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I just don't see clear enough evidence for Tupolever. The behavior described does not seem distinctive to YSGK, to the extent required to justify a check. That said, it's close, so perhaps some CU will see it as within their discretion to check.On the other hand, you've shown two good tells connecting to YSGK, so  with respect to Mil Mi-888 against log data for YSGK.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * is ✅ to.
 * Based on only running a check on Mil Mi-888 and CU logs of Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito, this case and Mil Mi-888 are with the understanding that CU log data only allows me to compare some historical information.  as to whether to merge.
 * Blocking as a sock of  as a CU block. Blocking Mil Mi-888 for 1 month as a normal admin action. If the cases are merged Mil Mi-888 will need an indef. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For context for my hesitance here, I'm always a bit slower to call something a duck in topic areas that, to be blunt, tend to be "special interests" for people. Much like two editors from a shared cultural background, two editors with a shared pronounced interest in a topic sometimes can edit in a manner more similar than we usually expect to find outside cases of sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry. So I tend to look for very precise tells that wouldn't be explained by that. Gorden identified two such tells (especially "crews", which is special-interest-independent). I also note that Tupolev justified reïnserting a photo of a plane partly on the basis of Close date, while YSGK has made similar edits because date closer, Near accident date, and Nearly date image. See also Date newer from 111.71.213.252. These are specific enough tells that, in combination with the general behavioral evidence Gorden has presented and with the CU results in mind, I'm willing to rule this proven. : Please extend Mil Mi-888's block to indefinite as a proven sockpuppet of Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito. I'll take care of the case-merge paperwork after that. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 03:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * indef per -- RoySmith (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Could an admin clerk please merge Sockpuppet investigations/Mil Mi-888 here? I'll handle re-tagging. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 17:07, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merged, retagged, closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 17:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Some tagging hasn't been done yet. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 22:15, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like the tagging has been completed. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 00:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , archiving. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
First, I will try to prove the link between YSGK and '使用者名前0006'. While 使用者名前0006 was suspected to be a sock of Username006 due to the similar username when translated, I believe differently. The lack of CU confirmation on these two accounts is why I will try to link it to YSGK, which will then be used to link to the other sock. A key similarity is the use of an overly complicated airplane model, again: 2021 Punta Caucedo Gulfstream G-IVSP crash uses the full name of the model, much like the other, already blocked sock's attempts at changing titles to be their full name. In that article, another telltail trail was left: the empty 'External links' section that YSGK occasionally too left behing. 2021 South Sudan Supreme Airlines Let L-410UVP-E crash by YSGK,.

Also, much like YSGK (, 使用者名前0006 used their sandbox as a staging area for infoboxes used in the aircraft accident articles. Both are blank, but before User:使用者名前0006/sandbox was wiped clean on 17 February, it contained a virtually identical infobox to the next sock - Trans Colorado Flight 2286. Compare with this: Draft:Aviastar-TU Airlines Flight 6534. The chances of a new user stumbling upon a sandbox and then reusing the infobox is far too low. The flight details, such as flight number, ICAO, IATA number are copied one to one. Though present on some other, likely unrelated articles, it is far more likely that the sock copied their previous template and placed more information in it. Note that in the original version of the draft, the infobox has not been changed.

These accounts often create articles with just an infobox in its original state: original account, new

For photos of accident aircraft, they are almost always titled like this: (Aircraft registration), the (airplane model) involved in the accident at (location). Sometimes, an additional sentence may be added to say when the photo was taken, or with slight variantions in the wording. While this template would be in theory universally applied to any aircraft article, significantly different combinations of words are usually used on other articles. This indicates that the new suspected sock is probably linked to YSGK.

Nonetheless, I do not rule out that there might possibly be no link between 使用者名前0006 and YSGK, though that appears unlikely. It should be at least possible to confirm the new sock to 使用者名前0006 due to the continuation of work from a blocked account. Gorden 2211 (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * Previous socks of Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito are stale, and since 使用者名前0006 is already blocked, I don't think figuring out exactly which sock drawer they belong to is a major priority. I do note that other YSGK socks have used Chinese names and that the IP that blanked 使用者名前0006's sandbox geolocates to Taiwan, as do several IPs reported in the archives of this case .Trans Colorado Flight 2286 is not blocked, and the similarities between 使用者名前0006's sandbox and TCF2286's draft are enough to raise suspicion that they are evading a block.  - please compare 使用者名前0006 and Trans Colorado Flight 2286. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 02:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 使用者名前0006 is to Trans Colorado Flight 2286 based on current CU data.  Those two are also  to Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito based on some notes in cuwiki. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've retagged 使用者名前0006 as a suspected sock of Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito in light of these results. - please indef Trans Colorado Flight 2286 as a suspected sock of Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito based on the CU and behavioural evidence. Spicy (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * per request. firefly  ( t · c ) 22:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks., closing. Spicy (talk) 22:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This user recreated the previously deleted draft []. It is highly unlikely that another user would create the article again, while filling the infobox with the same data - the IATA, call sign and ICAO flight numbers. Part of the infobox in an older revision [] appears to be directly copied from a previously blocked sock's sandbox []. This user is also a frequent commons uploader, much like previous socks, and has replaced images in other articles without changing anything else. This user also seems to create links to non-existent articles, typically before they are written. [] (old sock) - [] (new sock) Gorden 2211 (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * I was about to report this too, I agree with the filer. Same topic area generally.  Pika voom  Talk 10:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * - The behavioural evidence is convincing; please indef the sock. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 01:53, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * . --Blablubbs (talk) 08:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Tagged,, closing. Spicy (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)