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I believe these are all socks of User:Z07x10 who was site banned on 20 June 2015: consensus. All edit on Eurofighter Typhoon, the same page that Z07x10 edited on extensively and which led to his/her indef block. As with Z07x10, 86.129.181.164 edits small points of technical detail see: and 86.143.164.120 has edited the same point, see:, his/her edits are often based on WP:SYNTH/OR which he/she claims is derived from WP:RS. When other editors disagree with him/her, he/she then edit wars the issue, see, ,. Z07x10 had a similar editing/edit warring style, see:, , ,. 86.143.164.120 and 86.129.181.164 have also both editted on ASRAAM in the same time period. Several editors including myself had lengthy discussions with Z07x10 where he refused to accept consensus see: Talk:Eurofighter Typhoon/Archive 5 and the tone of comments here: User talk:86.143.164.120 seems similar. I have also added Draco2k as another suspected sock because he/she apparently only joined WP on 15 October, but has immediately started making extensive edits solely to the Eurofighter Typhoon page, suggesting a banned user returning under a different guise. Mztourist (talk) 04:21, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As the checkuser has been declined on the basis that Z07x10 is stale, for the behavioural investigation, please also review Talk:Eurofighter Typhoon to see 86.143.164.120's style, which is remarkably similar to that of Z07x10, even when confronted with the opposition of several other users. 86.143.164.120 has supposedly only been active on Wikipedia for 2 days yet is already arguing policy... Mztourist (talk) 18:21, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * 86.143.164.120 has now filed an Admin noticeboard complaint against me here: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, demonstrating yet again a remarkable knowledge of WP procedures for someone who has supposedly only been active on WP for 2 days. Mztourist (talk) 06:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Mztourist (talk) So which one is this Z07x10 exactly. Is it me or Draco2k?  Or do you just launch a sockpuppet allegation against anyone you disagree with?  Regarding the Talk page, I launched a complaint against you because you have already made an allegation here, so continuing it over there was pointless and disruptive, not to mention insulting.  You chose this approach because you couldn't find one single reliable source to back up your position, whereas I could clearly quote the largest aviation publication in Europe.  So rather than sensibly debate the point with sources, you went with the, "Oh, you're a sockpuppet approach."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You have already admitted that you and 86.129.181.164 are the same person, but you refuse to create an account. The change you wish to make on Eurofighter Typhoon is OR/Synth and multiple users have reverted it, not just me. As with Z07x10 you try to argue those who oppose you into submission and do not respect and accept consensus. The users on the Eurofighter Typhoon talk page have no interest in wasting their time arguing with a suspected sockpuppet who I believe will be blocked when this SPI is complete. Mztourist (talk) 16:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So? I can't help it if the internet changes my IP.  I have provided a reliable source for my change, namely, the most widely sold aviation publication in Europe - Flug-revue.  How about you provide a single reliable source for your reversion.  I think it's actually you and your sockpuppets on the Eurofighter Talk Page who can't provide a reliable source.  Consensus has zero validity without a source and you've repeatedly refused to provide one.  Please, provide one single one for the revert.  If you don't we can all assume this is just a diversion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 17:43, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Another Z07x10 trait, accusing established users of being socks because they don't agree with you. Mztourist (talk) 03:14, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Why not? You've continuously falsely accused me and another innocent user, so I think it's only fair that you be open to the same scrutiny.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 11:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * there is a procedure to be followed for SPIs, please feel free to start one rather than throwing unsubstantiated allegations as you have done previously Z07x10 see: []. Mztourist (talk) 12:21, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not nice is it? This is exactly what you've been doing and don't pretend you've followed procedure, you have been constantly aggressive, disruptive and insulting with your allegations over on the Eurofighter Talk page.  And yes, I find it highly suspicious how 'other users' suddenly turned up to support your position on not only the edit (minus a reliable source) but also the sockpuppet allegation, so I have every right to make a counter allegation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 12:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Please, go ahead and open an SPI. Mztourist (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There's already one open here, so why waste space? Very suspicious how so many users want to revert to a figure with no source whatsoever, instead of sticking with one mentioned by a test pilot, who's flown the aircraft, seen the performance manual and been quoted in the most widely read aviation publication in Europe.  Hmm, why would so many users be so illogical?  Hmmm......  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You can't add another SPI on different users to an existing SPI. Z07x10 you won't open an SPI because you already know its false, instead you just continue to cast aspersions. The reason why other users disagree with you is because your change is OR/Synth not based on WP:RS.Mztourist (talk) 12:03, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Please quote to me what that very link says about routine calculations? Don't you think adding 25% to an established figure is a routine calculation?  Or do you not regard primary school mathematics as routine?  If we can't accept Flug-revue, the data point should be removed altogether rather than reverted to a figure with no source, that is in itself based on this 25% statement (but this time in BBC) but with an incorrect calculation. Put simply, '>318m/s' comes from the same place as the previous '>315m/s' but the latter is an incorrect calculation of 1.25*254m/s and the former is correct. The so-called consensus position simply wishes to revert to the incorrectly calculated figure, which makes zero sense.  Simply put you want to use what you have termed OR/Synth but with an incorrect calculation instead of a correct one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * I do not understand what is going on here.
 * Small admission. My IP address changed hence my comment to Dcirovic (talk) here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:86.143.164.120.  I had no control over my IP change, same location, same computer.  The 86.129.181.164 is me no doubt, I made no attempt to sock puppet this account as you can see by my talk history.  Obviously the 86.143.164.120 belonged to someone else previously and they made a golf edit, hence my confusion.  Draco2k however is nothing to do with me.

I'm (Draco2k), whilst new to editing on wikipedia, I've have been a long-time reader but felt there was a need to update the Typhoon article as some sections seemed out of date /neglected and were disjointed, also tried to bring it inline with the style of similar articles. Apologies if I have over stepped the mark by jumping right in. I am not Z07x10 or was or know who that was but hope to continue updating this article as well as others and even write articles as I learn more about being a contributor to wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Draco2k (talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * The alleged master is . I've declined the CU request.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:17, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Based on the evidence presented, I don't see clear evidence that Draco2k is Z07x10. There are no diffs presented here, and a cursory look doesn't show enough behavioral similarities to issue a block at this time, at least without knowing what to look for. The IPs are stale, so closing with no action. ~ Rob 13 Talk 15:39, 1 January 2017 (UTC)