Wikipedia:Stoopid or lyin'

We've all done it. Someone comes out with something outrageous, they couldn't be more wrong - nobody in their right mind could believe it. They must be either stoopid or lyin' .

It's not OK
STOP! Even if you believe it, even if it is true, this or any of the million variants are personal attacks.

Firstly - AGF, they are not lying. Second ..Stupid? Ignorant? - how about "mistaken" or "wrong". Better still, how about being cooperative rather than confrontational.


 * I think you are mistaken...
 * The sources seem to support a different view...
 * I would be interested to hear why you say that...

No really, it just isn't

 * Someone justified this approach as "it is true it is a tautology" - on that basis he could have said "ignorant or lying or a racist" for example. Not helpful.
 * Adding adjectives generally makes it a worse insult "deliberately lying" "appallingly ignorant" - maybe "slightly ignorant" is less cutting, but "ignorant" is widely perceived as an insult.

Especially because
Sometimes they turn out to be right!

Examples

 * 2 points for each real life entry by another editor you find using this trope dated 2013 or later.
 * 10 points for every example of me (RF) using it - and I fear I probably have.
 * 1) "either ignorant of the way that the judiciary interpret laws, or deliberately lying"