Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/2006/August/31

FawltyTowers-tv-stub /

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The result of the debate was rename and upmerge

Not proposed, only 9 articles. Does have a WikiProject. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  18:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete or at the very least rename to just FawltyTowers-stub. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and upmerge on account of the WPJ. Alai 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Template has been renamed to FawltyTowers-stub and now feeds into . Nothing links to FawltyTowers-tv-stub, so that redirect can be deleted.   is empty, so it can also be deleted. ~ Amalas  rawr  =^_^=  19:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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Punter-stub / ;

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The result of the debate was rename to Amfoot-punter-stub

Proposed in June, except that it's redundant to the already-existing Amfoot-kicker-stub. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  18:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment It may be ambiguous, but it ain't redundant. Kicker usually refers to a placekicker, not a punter.  While there has historicaly been some overlap between the two positions, as well as the quarterback spot (Hence the Punt, Pass and Kick competition for youngsters sponsored by the NFL), in modern football with all the substitutions you want being allowed, they are almost always seperate specialists today.  Keep either as is or with a move to the less ambiguous Amfoot-punter-stub if it's felt necessary. Caerwine Caerwhine  22:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As it's ever-so-slightly undersized, possible merge to the kickers, keeping the separate template, renaming and explicitly rescoping the category, but that seems somewhat overengineered, so on balance just keep or rename, per CW. Alai 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 56 pages is undersized? 1ne 22:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 55 (since the template hardly counts), and yes, slightly (creation threshold is 60). Alai 04:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Punters aren't placekickers. Keep (although it's my own). 1ne 21:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But the other stub type isn't called placekickers. (Actually, neither cat even mentions what the sport is, which isn't ideal.)  Rename the cat to, and its counterpart (which I'm about to tag) to , or else merge the two to , keeping both templates (under whatever name) regardless.  Alai 04:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose . The position is usually called just kicker with placekicker only used when trying to be extra descriptive.  More to the point the parent is .  Support adding American football to the category names, both to match the parent cats and to avoid ambiguity. Caerwine Caerwhine  06:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're saying we should call punters kickers? Punters aren't kickers, and like Caerwhine said, they're rarely referred to as placekickers. Here's some proof of the difference between punter and kicker on NFL.com: Dave Zastudil, a punter and Dave Rayner, a kicker. 1ne 07:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I already understand the difference between a (place)kicker and a punter. Nonetheless, they're both specialist positions involving kicking things (indeed, the same thing!), there's overlap between the two, and one of them is undersized, so mergeing is hardly a ludicrous population.  We could always call it, just to make it even longer...  Alai 07:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * They're still not the same thing. And how is the punter stubs category "undersized"? There's 55 pages in it. 1ne 07:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm aware they're not "the same thing", they're "somewhat similar things". You asked me about size above, and I answered you there.  See also WP:STUB.  Alai 08:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Somewhat similar doesn't mean they should be in the same category. 1ne 20:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It means it's not infeasible that they be in the same category, especially when it's straightforward to make that it includes both in its scope explicit. Alai 23:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - they're separate things. —   08:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, merging the two makes no sense. That's like merging the offensive linemen with the defensive linemen. VegaDark 08:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've moved punter-stub to Amfoot-punter-stub. The redirect can stay and so can . ~ Amalas  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  14:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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Ireland-painter-stub / nocat
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The result of the debate was delete

Not used on any articles. All it does is transclude Ireland-bio-stub and painter-stub, so why not just let people double-stub and get rid of this useless template? <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  18:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Amalas. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine 22:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Alai 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - This was discussed in July, opposed, but created anyway.
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pop-singer-stub /
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The result of the debate was keep

None of the other singers are split by genre; they're all split by country, so why start here? This will just lead to unneeded double-stubbing. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  18:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Actually we do have other genre splits. Opera-singer-stub existed well before we started splitting singer-stub by country.  Also US-rock-singer-stub exists as a way to handle the overlarge US-singer-stub.  The question isn't whether we need genre splits, but which ones? Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine  22:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Horribly vague in scope (but that's a problem we in any case have with the albums, singles, songs, etc), but probably a necessary stick to beat various oversized types with.  Alai 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Proposed in July, no opposition. &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 04:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Holy crap, you mean I proposed and created this? I think I have to start keeping better track. :)  Alai 06:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, at least you recommended keeping it. &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 03:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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rename of
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The result of the debate was keep

Theater is the common spelling in the US. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  18:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Both spellings are well in use in the U.S., with theatre being the spelling more commonly used by the professionals. (C.f. American Theatre Wing, United States Institute for Theatre Technology, Antoinette Perry Award for Excellence in Theatre (aka Tony Award)) Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine 22:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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cuesport-stub / nocat
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The result of the debate was rename

Proposed in May, no articles use it, redundant to existing snooker-stub. Existing is fine. Will consider possible renaming for clarification. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  18:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename to billiards-stub, which seems to be the missing one from the set. (Or delete this one and create that one, if preferred.)  Alai 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * billiards-stub is now the official template. The redirects - snooker-stub, pool-stub, and cuesport-stub - are all orphaned, can be kept, and are listed at WP:WSS/R. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  19:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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