Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/November/30

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The result of the debate was rename

Consistent with naming guidelines. The rest of the cats in the parent are in the format "Xian history stubs" - crz crztalk 23:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Alai 03:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom.__ Seadog ♪ 19:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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2 footyclub cats

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The result of the debate was delete

See the related proposal. These 2 cats are too small and their templates will be upmerged. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  16:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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Microsoft-stub /

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The result of the debate was no consensus

From WP:WSS/D. I'm not sure if this is the right way to go. The articles should probably be resorted into things like US-business-bio-stub or software-stub or whatever. (As a side note, the category creator's user page is full-protected, so I was unable to notify) ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  16:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete__ Seadog ♪ 19:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just noticed that we also have Windows-stub and around. Anybody remember if they were proposed? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 01:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, back when the template/cat was created, I don't think it was proposed, but there was a semi-approval for it in August 2006. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  16:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep; no good reason has been given to delete this stub. Neither US-business-bio-stub nor software-stub are appropriate destinations. We have some 70-odd articles tagged with this stub (somewhat up from the 20 claimed at WP:WSS/D), and it's actually extremely helpful for editors looking for work to have these things grouped together.  We have several hundred articles covering Microsoft's products and technologies, a Wikiproject, 5 FAs, 4 GAs, and quite a number of regular contributors.  Removing a useful method of keeping organised would be rather offensive. -/- Warren 19:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Any more opinions on this? I think I'm going to keep both this and Windows stub, so unless I hear otherwise, I will list them on WP:STUBS later today.  ~ Amalas  rawr  =^_^=  15:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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various planet-related stubs

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The result of the debate was '''rename exoplanet, keep venus template & upmerge? to astrogeology, delete all other cats'''


 * exoplanet-stub /
 * 50 articles, no known associated WP
 * Rename to extrasolar-planet-stub /


 * Venus-stub /
 * 12 articles, no known associated WP
 * Delete


 * No articles, no associated templates
 * Probably a speedy delete for being empty
 * Probably a speedy delete for being empty

<b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  16:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC) <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  15:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't there also concern on the first that it's being used on articles about stars with planets? As nom on the rest;  sped the latter eight.  Alai 16:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that. I just took a quick look at a few of the articles, and it almost seems as if they could be split into two - one for the star and one for the planet (there is both a star infobox and a planet infobox).  A few of the others could use to be resorted (I found one about a telescope...).  We may want to create a planet-stub to use the existing cat, and upmerge extrasolar-planet-stub into it.  This would still require the deletion of the exoplanet template/cat. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  16:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Splitting the articles in two would come under the aegis of the Astronomy WikiProject - we complain about other WPs stepping on our toes, I'm loath to do the same to one of them. As for the other ones listed above, I could see a case for renaming exoplanet stub, deleting the other individual planet ones, but possibly keeping the dwarf, giant and terrestrial ones as upmerged templates at least - it seems to be most logical way to split solar system planets up. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Mind you, I wasn't suggesting that we split the articles, I was just trying to clarify why it seemed that a planet tag was being used on a seemingly star-related article. It's also moot at this point about dwarf, giant, and terrestrial because they've been speedied... <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  00:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In order to keep and upmerge the templates, they'd first have to be created... Wasn't the gist of the earlier suggestion to scope this as "solar systems"/"planetary systems"/"stars with planets", or something to that effect?  Alai 03:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough, extrasolar planet is on the Main Page today... Here's my plan of action for later today, if no one objects:
 * 1) rename exoplanet as nom, keeping cat
 * 2) create planet-stub to feed into
 * 3) retag Venus articles w/ planet-stub if applicable
 * 4) delete Venus template and cat
 * Okay, I've made it through step 1 of aforementioned plan, but I'm not sure that creating a planet-stub is the way to go. Any suggestions on what to do with the Venus stubs and the Planet cat?  <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  20:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd replace them with crater-stub. MER-C 04:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That'd be rather misleading, since they're mostly mountains and coronae. What about keeping the template, and upmerging (sidewaysmerging?) to the target of the above, ?  And then, deleting the  as empty.  Alai 05:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  14:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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/ richmond-geo-stub
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The result of the debate was delete

From WP:WSS/D. Unnecessary split of items already covered by. Certainly not a county, which is how England is split geographically - never proposed, and with only nine stubs (5 railstation-stubs, 3 struct-stubs and one genuine geo-stub). Not to mention the frankly ridiculously ambiguous template name (have you checked Richmond?). Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too small.  <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  13:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree on the name, and on the more-misused-than-used observation, but I'm pretty sure that splitting London by borough is something we'll be looking at doing before too long, unless the mythical point at which stub growth actually stops is reached. Alai 16:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. If needed, I'd rather see splits of London stubs by feature rather than location. MRSC • Talk 17:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not entirely happy with that idea either, though a separate london-road-stub and resorting the things that should be in london-struct-stub would probably reduce the size of the cat considerably (I count over 40 roads and 15 mis-sorts on the first page of the category alone). If we were splitting the london geo-stubs into separate parts, I think a basic "north of the river"/"south of the river" would be a reasonable compromise. Though it's not used for permcats, it is the way that Londoners themselves tend to think of the city. If we were to split by feature, parks are the most liely by the looks of it. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, I think I'll propose london-road-stub - looks like there are nearly 100 of them... Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have thought than "inner" and "outer" would be greatly preferably to "north" and "south", especially as the latter divides a borough (this one, as it happens), and the former does not. Alai 00:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with feature split e.g. roads, not sure about inner/outer; what to do with Newham, Haringey and Greenwich...? Although an "executive decision" can be taken on where they should be included it will not be immediately obvious; and some people may not consider Roehampton for example to be "inner". MRSC • Talk 07:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that those are inobvious, if not essentially arbitrary. However, if templatised on a per-borough basis, it's not something those doing the actual sorting would have to worry about.  Alai 17:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That is quite innovative. It might be better to make the per-borough templates map to the five London_Plan. We have quite a few contributors who stick to "their side" of London so it would provide a place them to look for new articles to edit. MRSC • Talk 19:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a fairly standard thing to do, we're just too lazy to update the stub guidlines to include it. :) I wasn't up on that particular Kennism:  that does seem a useful division, if it scores reasonably on the "generally accepted" front.  (I don't see permcats for any of these schemes for subdividing London/grouping boroughs, though...)  Alai 20:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I do not think it is useful to create categories for these either. For the purposes of dividing up the stubs it is nice and clear. MRSC • Talk 20:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete All London Boroughs should be handled the same way Regan123 21:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete__ Seadog ♪ 19:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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