Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/October/19

AP-stub / no cat

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The result of the debate was delete

From discoveries. Too narrow. Can restub articles into edu-stub. Delete ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  18:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also thoroughly fails the dab test. I work for AP (not to be confused with AP). Delete. Grutness...wha?  22:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - there are only 37 AP exams presently so I can't imagine it becoming large enough for a long time. Crystallina 05:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 09:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 02:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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African-music-stub → Africa-music-stub

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The result of the debate was rename

We usually have the country as a noun in the template, so this should be renamed. This was on the Discoveries page, and it just needs to be renamed before I put it on WP:STUBS. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  17:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok with me. Goldenrowley
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Scotland national football team squad template

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The result of the debate was moved to WP:TFD

This was created as an example template (by me) and is not needed. Nominate for deletion. Fedgin 15:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This should go to Templates for deletion as this page is for the deletion of stubs only. ~ Amalas  rawr  =^_^=  15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Moved Fedgin 07:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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Belarus politics and history

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The result of the debate was delete -history- redirect, upmerge others

Discoveries cleaning again. (Expect to see this a lot today.) Too small. Re-stub these with Belarus-stub ( is not oversized) or upmerge. ~ Amalas rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  13:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Belarus-politics-stub /
 * Belarus-history-stub & Belarus-hist-stub /
 * Since the other two components of the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth both have a -hist template it is probably better to upmerge that one. Delete the -history redirect. The -politics template should be either deleted or upmerged (no strong opinion either way). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 09:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge, don't feel too strongly either way about the redirect, am inclined to say keep. We should hardly make it compulsory to make people use the abbreviations, standard or otherwise, if they want to make more typing for themselves.  Alai 03:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is not enough topics to where a history or politics stub tag should be made for yet. Just redirect those to the main Belarus stub tag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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Mathematician redirects
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The result of the debate was delete 1,2,3 and maths-bio-stub

More cleaning of Discoveries. 1-3 are currently redirects to 4. I vote that we delete 1 and 2 and possibly redirect 4 to 3 because math-bio is a lot easier to spell that mathematician. I would also be fine with keeping the 3 → 4 redirect as it stands. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  13:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) mathbiostub
 * 2) mathbio-stub
 * 3) math-bio-stub
 * 4) mathematician-stub


 * Delete 1 and 2, redirect 3 to 4, not the other way round. "Math-bio" is a US-only construction (it would be Maths-bio in Commonwealth English, since we've never managed to work out what an individual mathematic might be), and it's better to avoid the US/UK language split where possible. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am now ashamed of my lack of consideration for UK spellings. *smacks self in head*  Redirecting 3 to 4 would be fine as well as deleting 1-3 as Finell says below. <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>  rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  13:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 1, 2, and 3. How many "hits" do these phantoms get? I agree with Grutness's remarks. In addition, everyone who works on math(s) bios or history knows that mathematician-stub is the stub template to use. Also, I would hate to have to clean up after an editor who has any difficulty whatsoever spelling mathermatician (OOPS!). Personally, I copy and paste such things, and I suspect that many others do likewise. Finell (Talk) 06:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, mathbiostub has between 400 and 500 articles using it versus mathematician-stub which has between 700 and 800. I didn't check the other two.  Lunch 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I got a chance to check: mathbio-stub has about 130 hits and math-bio-stub about 30. Lunch 00:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment "[E]veryone who works on math(s) bios or history knows that mathematician-stub is the stub template to use." Ummm, I didn't.  I haven't made many edits of bios, but I've made a few.  And the tag I used I copied from somewhere else.  (I don't remember where.)  Also, if these really are redirects and not stub types in and of themselves, then doesn't this belong on WP:RFD instead?  Note that you may have a tough time on RfD: these redirects don't cause confusion nor are they cross-space redirects.  Also, redirects are cheap.  Lunch 04:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Stub redirects are always handled here, and template redirects are not cheap in terms of the servers, as has been explained here many times in the past. They also cause problems in trying to maintain uniformity in stub template naming. Perhaps a viable compromise would be to keep mathematician-stub as the mains tub, with the redirect from math-bio-stub, and create a maths-bio-stub redirect, deleting the two which fail the naming guidelines. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okey doke. Lunch 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I like Amalas suggestion, support, it eliminates 2 redirects. . Goldenrowley 00:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete 1&2, keep 3&4 as-is. And wot, no maths-bio-stub?  Alai 03:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 1,2,3, Keep 4. There is a long running debate as to the relavant merits of maths and math. The former is the UK abbreviation and the latter the US abbreviation. In general we (members of WikiProject Mathematics) avoid the confusion by using the full mathematics or in this case mathematician. --Salix alba (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Redirects are cheap. I disagree very much with Salix alba above who in the name of spelling "political correctness" wants people to type more. People are used to all these stub types, and let them use whichever they please, the end result is same. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 14:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And I just created Maths-bio-stub as a redirect. If it is decided to delete the other ones, please delete this one too. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ... on what basis? Two of them clearly clash with the naming guidelines, the one you just created does not.  The real issue as far as I'm concerned isn't the server load, it's the cognitive load caused by creating confusion as to the pattern of stub template names.  Someone typing "mathbiostub" either has a nervous tick about hyphens, or is going to be mighty confused when they try to use any other "-bio-stub" type, which they're invariably called.  Alai 04:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep all Redirects are cheap &mdash; enough. Why go out of our way to make it harder for editors to classify a stub? If it is really all that hard on the servers, then some bot could be written to convert all the uses of the template redirects. Humans should tell the commputers what to do not the other way round ;-) Paul August &#9742; 20:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I run such a bot, "on the basis of SFD outcomes" as it's approved to do, and ironically, keeping the redirects would preclude me from running it on these instances. Alai 04:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Template redirects are not cheap. See Grutness 21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC) above. Finell (Talk) 20:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, Finell must mean User_talk:Grutness. To sum up: in their use, template redirects cause a marginal increase in server load that would best be avoided.  Their practical effect is a bit different than that of article redirects.  (And template redirects only benefit editors whereas article redirects benefit readers - the idea being editors are easier to corral and get to do something that benefits the project.)  That said, they're not super-duper-ultra cheap, but they're not that expensive either.  Lunch 23:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh, no, Finell means, as he said, Grutness's comment time stamped 21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC), on this Talk page, several paragraphs above. I've also read elsewhere in WP policy documents that template accesses hit server load more heavily than page redirects. Finell (Talk) 07:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection
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The result of the debate was delete


 * Nintendo Wi-Fi stub
 * Nintendo Wi-Fi Conect stub (redirect; tagged with redirtypo)
 * No category

Extremely limited in scope: There are very few Nintendo WFC games (certainly not the fifty articles that this page suggests), and even fewer that are stubs. Nintendo-stub should cover the stubs that do exist. Hbdragon88 07:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It has a category, Category:Simulation game stubs, it's just not visible on the template page. Mind you, any template using inside a deserves to be deleted for that alone.  (Also, it's unused, and badly-named.)  Alai 08:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's unused because I just orphaned it while cleaning out the transclusions of Nintendo Wi-Fi (The template doesn't link to any games, so the game articles shouldn't transclude the template). Hbdragon88 08:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That was possibly a tad over-zealous, since it does have a middling potential scope, judging by the size of the perm-cat, so we might just have upmerged it, rather than deleting it entirely. But since the template is horrible anyway...  Alai 08:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete what's here at present as horribly named. No opinion on whether it should be recreated as an upmerged Nintendo-wifi-stub or similar. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete unpopulated category better covered by other categorization. Wryspy 09:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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