Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/October/26

Azerbaijan-culture-stub

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The result of the debate was delete

Has a wikiproject - but has no articles and no category and was never proposed. And we've been pretty clear in the past that "culture-stubs" are more trouble than they're worth as far as scoping is concerned. Delete. Grutness...wha?  22:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Too small. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Its a good contribution and it makes the Azerbaijani pages mroe coordinated. Baku87 Baku87 21:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan-nature-stub/

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The result of the debate was delete

Unproposed - and it would have been soundly rejected if it had been. A simply appalling attempt to split Azerbaijan stubs which takes in national parks from the Azerbaijan-geo-stub category and a handful of other Azerbaijan stubs. neither the geo category or the main stub category were overtaxed (neither has over 200 stubs), and this is an horrible way to try to split it. If there were more national parks a Protected Area stub may have been useful eventually, though this category has a bare 31 stubs, so that seems an unlikely option. Grutness...wha?  22:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: You bring up a valid concern regarding an attempt at unecessary fork from Geo-stub. I created the category after I noticed it at Special:Wantedcategories. Since it had no deletion logs, I assumed the community wanted such a category. - Tutmosis  23:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Too small. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Its a good contribution and it makes the Azerbaijani pages mroe coordinated. Baku87 Baku87 21:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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Tajik-bio-stub /

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The result of the debate was rename to Tajikstan-bio-stub, upmerge/delete cat, sort articles by citizenship not ethnicity

Never proposed - has four articles. Category name is ambiguous. I can see the possibility of an upmerged Tajikistan-bio-stub, but not with the current name. Delete what's here, possibly create a new upmerged template. Grutness...wha?  22:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We already have Tajikistan-bio-stub and I don't like templates crossing borders (unfortunately, "Tajik" sounds a lot better than "Tajikistani"). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see any problem with this category (or the stub type). For every country x, we should have an x-bio-stub template and Tajikistan is not an exception. About the name, I redirected tajik-bio-stub to Tajikistan-bio-stub. About Tajik/Tajikistani, the word Tajikistani is not used and using it is wrong (it's not for us to invent new words). Jahangard 06:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - As Alai pointed out, we already had Tajikistan-bio-stub for exactly that purpose (which you somehow over-wrote with your move). Tajik-bio-stub, though, implies it is used for Tajik people (as the category is indeed named). That suggests it is for people of Tajik descent, not people from Tajikistan, and as such has the potential to cause confusion and also the potential for people to consider that splitting bio-stubs by ethnicity is a good idea (which it isn't). It is for these reasons that Tajik-bio-stub should be deleted. BTW, I have reverted your redirection - please don't redirect something while a deletion debate is in progress! Grutness...wha?  07:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There wasn't a separate stub type for Tajikistan-bio-stub (and I didn't over-write it). There was only one which I had moved it to Tajik-bio-stub and then I moved it back to Tajikistan-bio-stub. So, indeed you over-wrote template:Tajikistan-bio-stub, during the discussion. Jahangard 15:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Very strange that, considering how often I've used tajikistan-bio-stub over the time I've been sorting stubs. As to overwriting it during this discussion, since Tajikistan-bio-stub wasn't up for deletion here, there was nothing wrong with that. Grutness...wha?  21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That was my buff, sorry! I was thinking about Kazakhstan-bio-stub and Uzbekistan-bio-stub. I'll have no problem with an upmerged Tajikistan-bio-stub (to be used on all persons living in Tajikistan regardless of ethnicity). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just going to say, I can find no trace of there having previously been a Tajikistan-bio-stub template (and I checked past db dumps, lest the deletion logs be playing up). Alai 23:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Strange - I was sure there had been one before - and there were certainly a few things which seemed to be marked with it which hadn't been marked with Tajik-bio-stub (I added a few more to see whether it would get up to stand-alone category size, but it only totalled about 25). Grutness...wha?  04:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Further comment: As to the word "Tajikistani", perhaps I can draw your attention to part of the article we have on Tajikistan: Controversy surrounds the correct term used to identify people from Tajikistan. The word Tajik has been the traditional term used to describe people from Tajikistan and appears widely in literature. But the ethnic politics of Central Asia have made the word Tajik a controversial word, as it implies that Tajikistan is only a nation for ethnic Tajiks and not ethnic Uzbeks, Russians etc. In addition, the Pamiri population in Gorno-Badakhshan also have sought to create an ethnic identity separate from that of the Tajiks. There is a growing consensus that Tajikistani, which is not ethnic specific and is inclusive of ethnic Tajiks and non-Tajiks alike, is the correct term to call people from Tajikistan. Grutness...wha?  07:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems like original research. Show credible references (about the use of the word Tajikistani for the nationality). However, I don't have any problem with the term "Tajikistan-related". If you are so concerned about the word "Tajik", change it to this term. Jahangard 15:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Original research? A Google search for Tajikistani finds over 50,000 non-google hits, including Word web dictionary, NewsfromRussia, Xinhuanet, USAID, Embassiesabroad, Islamonline, Barnes & Noble, Findglobe, Aneki.com, Worldpress.org, The US Embassy in Tajikistan, The BBC... oh, and The United Nations. Seems fine to me. Grutness...wha?  21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename to Tajikistan-bio-stub, per the naming conventions, upmerge to on the basis of the size guidelines, hence delete the category, and re-sort on the basis of citizenship of modern Tajikistan or the Tajik SSR, rather than tagging miscellaneous ethnic Uzbeks, as seems to be true in some instances at present.  Alai 18:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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Iran-law-stub

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The result of the debate was delete

Never proposed - has one article and no category, despite being in existence for nearly a month. Delete - or possibly upmerge. Grutness...wha?  22:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Too small. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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1980s pop album stubs and 1980s pop album stub

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The result of the debate was delete

Two unused and poorly named redirects to 1980s-pop-album-stub. Seem to have been created in error, if the history is anything to go by. Delete. Grutness...wha?  22:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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Artstub

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The result of the debate was delete

As above, but for Art-stub. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not needed. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Art-stub. Jahangard 18:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what it already does. But it's not a standard stub name, hence the proposed deletion. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per the naming guidelines. Alai 18:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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3do-cvg-stub
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The result of the debate was delete

Cryptically named, never proposed, and seemingly never used. Delete Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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and MMA-stub
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The result of the debate was rename


 * Rename to and mixedmartialart-stub; it's not a proper name, and the rest of the martial arts stub templates are similary formed. See discussion at WPSS/D here. Pegship 14:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename as per above. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  21:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. hateless 23:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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