Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/January/26

Design-stub and

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was keep and populate

Rename to graphic-design-stub and }}. I discussed the problem of broadness on discovery page. Goldenrowley 00:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Adding that it can be easily populated over 60. I just wanted to wait for this decision before adding any. Goldenrowley 21:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep Separate. I'm not against having a "graphic design stub" category. However, the stub category I started was for design in general. There are many topics about design in general listed in the Category:Design page. Coming from a graphic design background, I know that there are many other design disciplines that may overlap graphic design, but are of a different nature all together such as web design, software design, information design, ect. Some of the stubs on that page I didn't assign. It's fair to call them graphic design stubs if the majority of the article is about graphics. If the majority of the article is about design for any other product or service, it can fall under the category of design until someone finds a more specific category. This is especially important for all the emerging multidisciplinary design professions. Oicumayberight 05:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I undertand where you are coming from as a "designer" myself, however how to keep this from being a free for all with auto design, fashion design, flower design which is alread in there and electrical engineering design...we have the problem of mixing up disciplones with "engineering" and "crafts" all mxed together with graphic design? Goldenrowley 20:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The opposite effect is the multidisciplinary and general design topics get over-simplified to fall under only one of the many categories for design disciplines that use them. For example, articles like the KISS principle article may only get listed under Category:Software development philosophies, when we know it applies to many more disciplines.


 * The article and the category is meant to cover the broad and general design topics, similar to the problem solving article. Problem solving is essentially what design is. I've been working to include most of the multidisciplinary and general design topics. It's fine to link the main article of individual design discipline to the main design category as long as every article in that discipline is not linked as well. For example, graphic design is the main article of design, which is OK to link. However, typography is a sub discipline of graphic design, and should not be linked to the main design article or categories. When I get around to it, I will move links to the sub discipline articles and stubs away from the topic. Oicumayberight 21:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok I am convinced now you have me on board, does anyone else see overlap or concerns? I dont really want graphic and engineering altogether and can forseee proposing subgroups in the near future dependent on how fast it fills up. I might propose the first sub-category is "designer stub" for all the biographies of designers (I think). Goldenrowley 22:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Not many wikipedians are advocating design in general. I created a Category:Design Wikipedians and a user box for people who may be interested. Many of the engineer types see overlapping concerns, but most of them want to treat design as a sub discipline of engineering. I think more people will come around when the see also section of the design article is a little better organized. That's my next project. Oicumayberight 22:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm if not many support from engineers, I am willing to settle for "design" as a stub, but rapidly disambiguate them by having 2 sub-categories, such as one for industrial-design-stub(?) and one for graphic, web, print and media design, such as media-design-stub(?) ... what do you think? Goldenrowley 20:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with having multiple stubs. My goal is to first link them to the general design category, and then other more specific categories or articles as they emerge, and away from the main "design" category.


 * If you want stubs to sub divide design disciplines, the ones that have main articles are fine. Industrial design would be a good stub for hardware. As for "media design", without a main article, I don't think it would get much support on wikipedia. Communication design is probably the closest thing to media design.


 * Multidisciplines and disciplines that don't have many sub disciplines or subtopics unique to those disciplines can just fall under the "design" stub. There are many design disciplines that don't really fall under the category of either media or industrial products. There is also a host of other disciplines that might use both media and industrial products like Software design, Game Design, and Business design. It really depends on what the software is being used for if it favors one category over another. The game design article is no longer limited to software or media for that matter. Oicumayberight 02:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I think I'll go over to stub proposals right now and propose "industrial-design-stub" and "comm-design-stub" as a start. Goldenrowley 03:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.