Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/July/6

Dinotopia-stub /

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was delete

Umproposed,. and there doesn't look like any chance of getting this anywhere near threshold size, even with a Wikiproject. appears at first to have only ten articles - and even if all of those were stubs we'd still be less than half-way to the WikiProject minimum threshold.

On closer inspection, though, the permcat actually only has three articles, a template, and six talkpages, and its only parent is a WikiProject category! So that template is uncomnnected to the general category hierarchy. Cleaning that up is not the job of SFD, but noting that the maximum current use possible for the stub template is only six articles - 20% of the minimum threshold with a WP - is.

A wikiproject with this few articles is better off listing them on a subpage of their project than creating more work for itself with a stub type, and certainly it will be wose than useless for general stub-sorting purposes. Delete, or at the very least, upmerge into something that is of a reasonable size. Grutness...wha?  02:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for informing me about this matter. The thing is, nobody previously told me that a stub needed to be proposed first. I appoligise for this unfortunate mistake on my behalf ( please check: spelling, grammar ). The thing is, when I started this wikiproject, it was in construction, and it still is. The reason it appears to be undersize, and not many articles listed under that stub template, is because it is still under construction. Did you notice my to-do list, it says to finish the templates, etc, within a week, last updated July 2. To actually finish the main components of this wikiproject, would take probably 6 months or so. Had the stub template still would exist by then ( pardon my grammar ), it would likely include about 25 articles or so. This wikiproject currently includes 15 articles, and I am currently planning to create more. Again, this project is, at best, in its larva stages ( figuratively! ), and will not be completed beyond "stub" stages (I mean the [wiki]project) for at least a month or more. Notice how I seem to have given up on the template, and this is because it is seemingly impossible to make it, until at least this project is in its "adolescent" stages. Almost all projects will, thoeretically speaking, have a short period of time when at least one component of it would be below the minimum requirements, and that's when it is under construction. I am not able to contribute to wikipedia every single day, so unless I'm a bot (which I'm not), I wouldn't be able to finish the wikiproject very quickly, thus the lagging behind on the minimum requirements. I'd say I'm still a rather new user, as I've been on wiki for only 9 months or so, and I've not yet read all the policies, essays, and guidelines. Since I usually dislike opening more than one wiki-window at a time (in edit mode), I cannot be rapidly working on such a project while we speak. Since the stub and category are both listed under deletion, I might not be able to work on articles by adding the stub template, and I probably will not be able to meet the minimum requirements before it is deleted anyway. As the adding of the templates are still under construction, I also have not added the templates to the main and talk pages of all the articles in the project, and I have not yet even edited all of them, therefore the "less than minimum" number of pages in the other categories as well. In case you haven't figured it out, this is not a vote for a keep nor a delete, this is a comment, although I'd prefer if this template could be kept for the meantime. Please advise whether or not I should add the template to the remaining articles, to see if the quanity of pages becomes enough or not. I hope you understand, and thank you for your time. Thanks. ~ A  H  1 (TCU) 15:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oookay... let's go through your points one at a time. Details of stubs being proposed before creation are at Stub, which you should have consulted in order to find out how a stub type should be created, and at WikiProject, which you would have used to create your WikiProject. WikiProject templates are usually only created after a WikiProject is up and running in an active form - there is little point in having a mass of templates at an early stage, since the first part of creating a WikiProject is working out exactly what it will be doing - and until that's finalised, you won't know what templates you need. You point out yourself that you've more or less given up on the basic Dinotopia template for pretty much exactly that reason. You say that in six months or so the project would cover about 25 articles - the minimum requirement for a stub template with an associated WikiProject is 30 existing stub articles - so even if you exceed your expectations by 20%, all of those articles woud have to be stubs before having a stub type is worthwhile. Less than that and it's far easier for you to keep track on articles on a separate WikiProject page, where you can also list what needs to be done with each article individually.

I also have not added the templates to the main and talk pages of all the articles in the project, and I have not yet even edited all of them, therefore the "less than minimum" number of pages in the other categories as well.. In not quite sure what you mean by this - articles aren't added to permanent categories by wy of templates, and certainly you wouldn't want to have talk pages in a permanent category.

I suggest you have a look at Categories, Stub, and Template:WikiProject. If, later, you have 30 or more stub articles, then re-proposing a stub type might be a reasonable thing to do, but at the moment, there seems little point in having a stub type for your project. Grutness...wha?  01:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.