Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/March/1


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The result of the debate was upmerge

From SFP. Undersized stub type, upmerge and delete category. Monni 14:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak upmerge; it's a bit small, though school articles being what they are, doubtless not for long.  BTW, shouldn't we have upmerged templates for schools in the Yukon, the Northwest Territories, and Nunavut?  Alai 18:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was keep

From SFP. Undersized stub type, upmerge and delete category. Monni 16:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: See also discussion at Stub sorting-Discoveries. I agree, there aren't many articles right now, but I still think the stub category has potential. The category is 40 articles right now and everyday I find new stubs related to Asturias which are not under any stub category. It surely will be created again more sooner than later¹. I'd give it a chance.   · Ravenloft ·   · (talk) ·   11:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ¹ (being part of that phenomenon which Grutness once defined as "the surreptitious split of Spanish stubs by region":, , , , , ...) - update note on 15:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any relation in articles having no stub tags at all and necessity of having this specific "general" stub. I still think primarily we should try to use existing stubs and if those get too big, then split just one stub at a time, not all stubs related to one region and stuff them to generic "regional stub". Monni 05:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyway my point was that there are lots of stubs specifically related to Asturias that would need to be tagged, and if we follow the same criteria that now allows the present existence of the other "Spanish regional" stubs, it seems legitimate to tag them with that "general" Asturias one.


 * Those Spanish regional stubs seem to have been created because of two main reasons: 1. category was becoming too big, or vague. 2. There are some subjects related to territories with strong national identities, nowadays included in the Kingdom of Spain (pretty much like the United Kingdom, see Spain-identities), that would need a more specific treatment.


 * So if we follow the reasonable criteria you propose, we should delete the but also all the existing Spanish regional ones (at least the undersized ones). --   · Ravenloft ·   · (talk) ·   12:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * All I'm saying is that biographies should be first in and not, after biography stub category fills up too big, they would eventually end up in  unless there is some specific WSS guideline that suggest there is better place to sort them. Monni 18:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Asturias-bio-stub would come under the type of reservation we apply to "-bio-stub", or if it would make sense as a "well-defined regional identity". Basically, does "being an Asturian" (as opposed to "coming from Asturia") pass any likely Shibboleth test?  Alai 18:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Does every US state have own language? Asturians have own language and constitution if I understood the article correctly. Monni 18:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're suggesting that the appropriate test would be "speaks asturianu rather than castellano", I'm guessing we'd run fairly rapidly into problems there. But I'm open to being convinced otherwise.  Constitutions don't help much:  I couldn't tell you for certain whether .es autonomous communties (or provinces) have them, but U.S. states certainly do, and that doesn't stop people from being "from" three or four of 'em.  Alai 19:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I only implied that if enough "normal" tests apply, then any sub-category is justified... It's like me... I'm descendant of Livonian person and I really despise if people identify me as Latvian, just because Latvia does control half what was Livonia (including Ikskile, "capital" of Livonia). Back to topic... All Asturias-bio-stubs should be about people who have strong enough connection to what was Asturias before it was joined to Spain. Rest should be tagged with only Spain-bio-stub and nothing else. This issue was discussed elsewhere and what was said there still applies here. Monni 20:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's over 60 now, so I'm inclined to say keep unless I'm missing some other deep-seated problem? Alai 18:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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