Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/November/11

WikiProject Squirrels/Stub

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was delete

This one is a thorny one. By the name of the template, it looks like a misguided attempt to be a Stub-Class assessment template for use by a WikiProject. But the template itself is quite clearly a malformed stub template - unproposed, poorly worded, self-referential, and with no category. Also redundant, since we already have sciuridae-stub which is specifically for squirrels and other sciuridae. Grutness...wha?  00:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Geez, stop biting. Arghhh - someone trying to make Wikipedia better without spending 6 hours reading policy and guidelines, stomp on them with red tape and fucked up regulations! Strong keep, a million times over. Good faith edits aimed at improving our project. It's not hurting anyone. - Pump  me  up  08:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)Thoughtless comments by editor removed at 04:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't "stomped all over" anything with "fucked up regulations" - simply pointed out the reasons why this template doesn't work, and why it doesn't fit in with other simila templates. Similarly, just because an edit is in good faith, which I've no doubt it was, doesn't mean it is going to help your project or Wikipedia as a whole (which it won't). As for not hurting anyone, since it duplicates a long standing and well-used template, it's going to cause confusion as to which template is corrct top use - making it less likely that any of the articles will be tagged and catalogued correctly, and therefore making it less likely that any of the articles will be edited by people who know about squirrels. So yes, it will hurt both your WikProject and Wikipedia. Now, would you care to explain why this should be kept, or at least address some of the reasons I've given why it shouldn't be, rather than just attacking the nominator and complaining about the fact that it's been nominated? Is it meant to be an assessment-style Stub-Class template or a standard stub template? Why does it not have a category? Why does it contain self-reference? Why was it not proposed? What is the difference between it and sciuridae-stub (other than the fact that the latter is correctly formatted and actually does the job it is intended to do)? Grutness...wha?  00:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologize for my blatant incivility displayed above. To put it in nicer words: try to improve rather than remove. You seem to know your stuff when it comes to stub templates, so why don't you spend a moment fixing it? I'm not knowledgeable about templates as such but it's definitely salvageable with but a moments editing. - Pump  me  up  04:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted, BTW, and apologies from me, too, if you thought I was treading on your toes with this. Unfortunately, the best way to fix it is to delete it in this case, since it duplicates a stub which does the same job - sciuridae-stub. Sciuridae-stub is already is correctly formatted, and as its category shows, it's well used (it's on some 200 stub articles about squirrels). We really don't need both. As far as linking it with your wikiproject, the standard practice is to put a link in the category - that allows anyone looking for squirrel stubs to know there's a wikiproject on them running. It might also be worth your looking at assessment-style talk-page templates, which would allow you to categorise and sort all articles relating to your Wikiproject, not just stubs. BTW, please note that there are distinct caveats as far as templates are concerned with WP:BOLD, which primarily applies to articles. Grutness...wha?  05:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I know the bold policy, it's just more linkage. We've got one for the talk page, squirrels. I might decide to expand it to rating/priority formats if I get time and the project gets members, but for now more basic framework is needed. The Squirrels WikiProject is of course in it's infancy (not helped by the fact it only has the original creator and myself with nil knowledge of our fuzzy friends - not at least here in NZ - as members). Thanks for the advice, I knew you'd be able to clear that up. In case reviewer doesn't get it I'm for deletion now. -[[User:Pumpmeup| Pump  me  up  09:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.