Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/September/1

A group of redirect reversals

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was reverse redirects

Trying to get all the geo-stubs consistent... as with BiH a few days back, these could probably benefit with reversing the redirects (or creating new names) so that the full name is that used on the "main" name. Given that lots of upmerged country-specific stubs are in process, it seems that these should be dealt with ASAP. In several cases, there are probably other related stub types that will also need fixing as well, but since all the redirects will be kept, if no-one minds I'll take this as a blanket nomination:
 * UAE-geo-stub &rarr; UnitedArabEmirates-geo-stub (there's also a plain UAE-stub and a UAE-bio-stub to be similarly dealt with)
 * NI-geo-stub &rarr; NorthernIreland-geo-stub (several others including the deletable NI-sub (sic))
 * PRC-geo-stub &rarr; PRChina-geo-stub (several others )
 * CotedIvoire-geo-stub &rarr; Côted'Ivoire-geo-stub. (one redirect also )
 * Czech-geo-stub &rarr; CzechR-geo-stub CzechRepublic-geo-stub (see note below) (several others )
 * NZ-geo-stub &rarr; NewZealand-geo-stub (several others )

That will leave UK and US as the only non-standard names. Finally. Grutness...wha?  01:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's my take:
 * UAE and PRC are both commonly enough used for their respective countries that they are direct redirects. Definite keep as at least redirects, but no objection if moved.
 * Agree with getting rid of both NI and NZ as ambiguous.
 * Need to keep the unaccented version of Côted'Ivoire for the accent averse as at least a redirect, but do we really need to get rid of the "'"?
 * No argument with Czech, and since apparently even the Czech government has given up on it, we might consider removing the redirect Czechia-geo-stub as well.
 * Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think you misunderstand me - I'm not talking about deleting anything other than the malformed "NI-sub". It's simply a case of moving the 'target' name where the template actually resides to a name that's uniform with the other names we use, and keeping the current names as redirects. BTW, I would argue about NZ being ambiguous - unless we're about to have a stub type for Novaya Zemlya, I can't think of anything else it could possibly be but New Zealand, and - as with UAE and PRC - it is a standard name for the country used both here and overseas (see NZ). NI, you're possibly right about the ambiguity (it's the code for Nicaragua, IIRC), but the others are fine to keep as redirects. Grutness...wha?  06:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To me, the first thing I think of when I see NZ without context is neutral zone, not New Zealand. Caerwine Caer’s whines 17:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. Hadn't heard of an abbreviation for a neutral zone before (other than DMZ). FWIW, I googled:
 * "Neutral Zone" + NZ -"New Zealand" = 18,700 ghits
 * "New Zealand" + NZ -"Neutral Zone" = 25,500,000 ghits.
 * A ratio of about 1:1400. So it is used, but I doubt it would cause any confusion, going by those figures. Grutness...wha?  00:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've sped NI-sub; the other reversals look OK to me, and should certainly fix the "target redlinks", if nothing else.  Alai 16:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * NOTE - I've just realised that the correct name for the Czech one sould be CzechRepublic-geo-stub (to match the other "Foo Republic" types, not the "Republic of Foo" types). A redirect at CzechR-geo-stub probably wouldn't hurt either. Alai, Caerwine - does that make any difference to your comments? Grutness...wha?  10:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not me. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Close enough for geographical work. Alai 00:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.