Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/June/17

Messianic Judaism-stub /

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The result of the debate was rename, don't upmerge for now

Noticed this when it was added to the stub list. Besides the space that needs removing from the template to make it conform to the naming guidelines for stub templates, there is the fact that despite having an associated WikiProject and having been available for over a year. it doesn't meet the 30 article threshold for a stub category of its own. As it has its own WP assessment template, I see no need to ignore the threshold here, so rename to MessianicJudaism-stub as an upmerged template of. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found some more stubs for this Category which now brings it up to 26 stubs. Kathleen.wright5 14:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep First, more than 30+ articles have had the stub. Second, a Messianic Jewish article is not a Christian article, thus a Christian stub would be inappropriate as a replacement. inigmatus (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, alot of articles have stubs, at least of one of them per subject. Why should we delete it.-- Freewayguy  Msg USC 00:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename to conform with stub naming standards, and upmerge unless the number of stubs reaches threshold - though surely to, not ? Inigmatus and Freewayguy, it looks like you both need to read the nomination again - no-one is talking about deleting or replacing the template (other than by fixing the name of it to MessianicJudaism-stub), only upmerging it. Grutness...wha?  00:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Messianic Jews believe in Jesus as the Messiah and Savior, so they definitely are at least as much a Christian denomination as the Latter Day Saints. Whether they are also Jews is unfortunately a point of controversy, and depends at least in part on how broad a scope Judaism stubs has. Caerwine Caer’s whines  03:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Per guidelines above, "keep" is the same as voting in favor of keeping the status quo, even if this only a name change and category upmerge request. Thus "keep" votes should be understood as keeping the status quo and thus no change at all. I lean in favor of changing the stub name to meet stub naming conventions, but I disagree with upmerging the stub to the Christian category and believe in the interest of keeping the peace, that it remain apart from it. inigmatus (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hiking-stub /

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The result of the debate was delete

At first glance, this one appears fine, but there are problems with it, brought up during discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. It has between 30 and 60 stubs but is linked to a WikiProject - BUT that WikiProject has been moribund for several months. Also, of the 55 stubs using this stub type, 52 should actually should be using Trail-stub! Remove them and you're left with a bio-stub, Hydration pack, and Protractor compass - hardly enough to warrant a separate stub type. Given such a large overlap in a borderline-sized category, it may be better to do away with this one altogether and reduce redundancy by one, possibly turning hiking-stub into a redirect to trail-stub as we go. Grutness...wha?  02:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't keep as a redirect. Even if we were to keep it as a redirect or upmerge, Trail stubs would not be my first choice of where to graft it to, despite the overlap.  A recreation-stub, if we had it, would be my first choice. Caerwine Caer’s whines  19:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Why delete it? Is the stub template still use at least one page?-- Freewayguy  Msg USC 00:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It would remain on three pages, and in each of those cases a more appropriate stub type exists (as I pointed out in my nom, one of them is even a bio-stub, which should never have got this stub type to start with). In any case, having a stub type for only three stubs is hardly viable in most cases - and certainly isn't viable for a category! This is the second SFD that you seem to have failed to have understood fully, BTW - perhaps you need to reread the top of WP:SFD and also WP:STUB? Grutness...wha?  01:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
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