Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/May/13

Went to rename this per April 13, but found it has (a) no template and (b) only 6 articles. The permcat only has 20. Either delete or create template Pakistan-road-stub and upmerge. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 20:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

East Germany-stub/

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The result of the debate was delete

Unproposed and misnamed, and suffering from the obvious problem that we categorise stubs by current country rather than former entity except in cases where the historical entity is of global significance. I suppose we could debate all day a to whether East Germany falls into that category, but it certainly pales in comparison to the few other former nations that have got stub types. If kept, the template would need renaming to EastGermany-stub per the naming conventions and the (very dodgy-looking) coding of the template would need to be fixed, and unless there are 60 stubs it will need upmerging - so we'd pretty near have to start from scratch anyway. Delete. Grutness...wha?  04:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Having noted the points you raise (and I can't really object to any of them), I wanted to point out, the stub/category are meant to be sub-stub/categories of the parent, rather than a category in its own right. Are there are not any similar categories/stubs, particularly for a sub-theme of the original?? I can see potential for this category to grow, especially as many themes remain to be covered. (Berk2 (talk) 04:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC))
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean by "sub"-stub/categories, unless you mean subcategories of Germany stubs. If so, yes, such subcategories exist, but usually for set types (such as German people, German geography, German buildings and the like). There is a German history category that is a subtype of Germany stubs, but the only specific period of German history that has its own subtype is Nazi Germany, which had (as I pointed out) a more wide-reaching scope and importance than East Germany. In general we don't split out former nations simply because it gets too messy, and central/western Europe (including East Germany) can get particularly complex- consider a 100 year-old organisation in Montenegro, for instance. It would need to be marked according to its Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav, Serbian and Montenegrin status. For the most part, an East German stub would cause a few problems considering it would be used on things subdivided already by type of subject (East German buildings are already marked with Germany-struct-stub, for instance). BTW, it's usually not a good idea to move a template during an SFD discussion (the template is now at EastGermany-stub) - it just increases the work when a decision is made. Grutness...wha?  05:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Sorry Berk2, but he has a good point. breaking apart countries like that would get way to messy and complicated.--Pecopteris (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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Barbarian stub /

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The result of the debate was '''delete. –Black Falcon (Talk) 20:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)'''

Unproposed, and suffers from major problems. The very term "Barbarian" is POV, having been used throughout history for many different groups of people. The category title does not indicate whether this is for people or other articles relating to (a/some) Barbarians, and it is an orphan category. the logical permcat for it,, contains an assortment of people of different races, and is itself subject of a CfD which seems to be going against it. The very article Barbarian indicates the problems with this classification (it's a bit like having a "heathen-stub"). The template, meanwhile, is misnamed according to the naming conventions. Delete it to put it out of its (and our) misery. Grutness...wha?  04:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom. (And Portal:Barbarians and WikiProject Barbarians need the same treatment.) —Aryaman (Enlist!) 09:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I made a lot of mistakes, and I think starting over is wise. I will try a different plan without using the term "Barbarian", and I think we should delete everything to do with WikiProject Barbarians. I want nothing to do with it.--Pecopteris (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Speeedy Delete stub, cat and portal. Name and text on portal page is POV and considered offensive by a significant number of people. I've seen no support for creating or keeping any of these things. If Pectoperis agrees, as the creator and only editor of all of the above, I'll delete it. Or someone else can. -  Kathryn NicDhàna  ♫ ♦ ♫ 05:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete- Be my guest, whoever want's to delete it.--Pecopteris (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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