Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/May/18

May 18

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was delete

Moldova-wine-stub /
Unproposed, oddly coded, and not likely to come within yelling distance of threshold (let's face it, there are only some 120 Moldova stubs not already divided into accepted subtypes). The category only has stubcat parents listed - probably because there is no such category as (let alone ). We don't split wine stubs up by country (there aren't even French or Spanish wine stubs, despite those two countries each having ten times the area under grape that Moldova has) - we split them up by subject nwithin the wine production process - Wine regions, wine types, wine production processes... And none of those are in further need of splitting (the largest of the categories has only about 300 stubs). If we were to split it further, dividing the regions by continent (Europe-wine-region-stub, etc) would probably be the most logical starting point - not starting with what is only a moderate-sized country by wine-production standards. Grutness...wha?  00:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Mm. Seems there is a category after all - for some reason the article Moldovan wine is not in it. If it was, it would take its total contents up to eight articles, though, so the points above relating to threshold still apply. Grutness...wha?  01:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)Unproposed: yes, this was a fault;
 * 2)Oddly coded: the code is entierly the code, with the changed image. I dont understant, what is oddly.
 * 3) I don't know why the French-wine-stub wasn't created. I am monitoring the category I like. I would welcome if the other countries (and continents)wine stubs appears. --serhio talk 10:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4)Now, I can't make a Proposal for this stub, cause is maked for deletion already :( --serhio talk 11:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There is a Cat:Moldovan wine, and the Moldovan wine article is in this category. --serhio talk 10:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC) I think each wine country have some specific things in wine culture production, industry. This why I think is a reasonable think to divide the wine countries and their wine production. --serhio talk 11:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete the category for certain, and almost certainly the template. I could see possibly doing a by country split to avoid double stubbing, but the stub articles for which a country level split would be appropriate should already have a more specific stub template:, , or . However, the wine stubs appear to be most international, as I haven't come across a single one that is double stubbed. Caerwine Caer’s whines  04:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Acutely undersized, cuts across existing split. Delete.  And who will rid us of this turbulent asbox?  (That last not Serhio's fault, though, to be fair.)  Alai (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * From the point of view of an active participant in WP:WINE the answer is delete, since the five categories of wine stubs we have seem to be enough. Adding a special stub category for the circa 16th largest wine producing country in the world seems to call for the creation of at least 15 other stub categories we've never felt the need for. (Or perhaps 50-100 if we were to break the other existing stub categories into smaller pieces). However, to my great astonishment, there also exists a project, or at least project page, called WikiProject MoldovanWines with one participant, namely User:Serhio. If this project (the project page of which is a ripoff from WP:WINE) is serious they would of course need their own stub category. But from my point of view, that's an if. Tomas e (talk) 20:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While I do think we should cut WPJs a lot of slack when it comes to having a stub type (more or less) identical with their scope, I wouldn't entirely agree with the proposition that all projects (or even all "serious" projects) should automatically have such a thing. For one thing, since we don't want to be in the invidious position of having to determine said "seriousness".  Alai (talk) 23:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm with Alai on this - there's no fundamental reason why a WikiProject automatically should get its own stub type. In the first place, WikiProjects derive greater benefit for the most part from talk-page banner assessment templates, and in the second place stub templates are designed primarily for use across all Wikipedia editors, not just those within specific WikiProjects. As I mentioned in my initial nomination, I can see the potential for dividing wine-region-stub up further by country or continent (US-wine-region-stub, France-wine-region-stub, and general Europe-wine-region-stub and Oceania-wine-region-stub templates would be fairly useful, in all probability), but to deal with all articles relaing to wine ina relatively small wine-prodicung country a talk-page banner would probably make far more sense. Grutness...wha?  01:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with delete, also the existence of the Moldovan wine WikiProject also needs to be debated in another forum. - Merzbow (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete this stub. Is no more needed, the Project:MoldovanWines will be closed. --serhio talk 07:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.