Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2010/November/2

Templates for Category:Science fiction stubs and subcats

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was keep. Jafeluv (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Propose renaming:
 * sf-stub to scifi-stub

Reason: I think that sf is to vague; scifi is much more meaningfull. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * alien-sf-stub to alien-scifi-stub
 * sf-book-stub to scifi-book-stub
 * sf-char-stub to scifi-char-stub
 * sf-convention-stub to scifi-convention-stub
 * sf-film-stub to scifi-film-stub
 * 2000s-sf-film-stub to 2000s-scifi-film-stub
 * sf-novel-stub to scifi-novel-stub
 * 19thC-sf-novel-stub to 19thC-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1900s-sf-novel-stub to 1900s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1910s-sf-novel-stub to 1910s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1920s-sf-novel-stub to 1920s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1930s-sf-novel-stub to 1930s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1940s-sf-novel-stub to 1940s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1950s-sf-novel-stub to 1950s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1960s-sf-novel-stub to 1960s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1970s-sf-novel-stub to 1970s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1980s-sf-novel-stub to 1980s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 1990s-sf-novel-stub to 1990s-scifi-novel-stub
 * 2000s-sf-novel-stub to 2000s-scifi-novel-stub
 * child-sf-novel-stub to child-scifi-novel-stub
 * sf-story-stub to scifi-story-stub
 * sf-tv-stub to scifi-tv-stub
 * sf-tv-episode-stub to scifi-tv-episode-stub
 * sf-writer-stub to scifi-writer-stub
 * US-sf-writer-stub to US-scifi-writer-stub
 * }
 * Very strong oppose. "Scifi" is widely regarded by most "hard-core" science fiction fans as a gross insult. It would be akin to changing UK-bio-stub to pommybastard-stub. Check the "Definitions" section of Science fiction.
 * I would have no objection to the templates all being changed to sci-fict-stub, although that would reduce their scope, as sf-stub covers not just science fiction, but all forms of speculative fiction (including such things as science fantasy and alternative history fiction). Grutness...wha?  10:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * PS - I know that it's bad form to claim to be an expert on a subject in a deletion debate, but as (a) a published sf author; (b) Fan Guest of Honour at the 1996 NZ national convention; and (c) former president of the NZ National association for science fiction, I have some knowledge of the area :) Grutness...wha?  10:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No objection to renaming, but please keep the redirects in place. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Grutness; also, San Francisco apart, I don't think that the abbreviation "SF"/"sf"/"s.f." has any other meanings in common use with which confusion may arise. Yes, the dab page SF is stuffed with them: but how many are genuine, how many fail WP:MADEUP? -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's no benefit to the proposed rename, and the term "scifi" has always been out of favour. Also, these are template names seen only by Wikipedia editors, not article titles seen by all readers. IMHO these don't have to be longwinded and fully descriptive; anything editors can remember easily will do — brevity here is a virtue. Shreevatsa (talk) 06:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. "SF" stands for both "speculative fiction" and "science fiction", the term "scifi" is generally disliked by science fiction fans, and, as said above, the rename serves no useful purpose. -- Chronulator (talk) 08:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose for all the reasons already stated. "Scifi" is generally used more for media-type science fiction such as Star Trek and Star Wars, whereas "sf" is an all-encompassing term to refer to all science fiction (and speculative fiction, as already pointed out). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 03:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose on the grounds stated above, especially per Grutness. - Dravecky (talk) 05:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.