Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2010/October/8

China-university-stub / Category:China university stubs

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 301 articles Propose rename to Category:Chinese university stubs per other subcats. of Category:China stubs and common sense grammar. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note Category:China organization stubs and the convention of subcategories of Category:University stubs (Foo university stubs, not Fooian university stubs). Also, the non-stub parent category is Category:Universities and colleges in China. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BF's comments and standard stub-naming conventions, and also because the proposed name is potentialyu ambiguous - are these universities in China, or universities where the principle teaching is done in Chinese? Grutness...wha?  03:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Oppose per standard stub-naming (and stub category-naming) and consistency with every other subcat of Category:University stubs. - Dravecky (talk) 05:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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United States film biography stubs

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Rename all. Consensus is rather weak here, but is strengthened by the string of "rename" !votes at the end. Coming in after the main debate, they are an indicator of the persuasiveness of the arguments presented. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 10:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:United States artist stubs to Category:American artist stubs
 * Category:United States illustrator stubs to Category:American illustrator stubs
 * Category:United States sculptor stubs to Category:American sculptor stubs
 * Category:United States business biography stubs to Category:American business biography stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, Pre 19th century births stubs to Category:American business biography, Pre 19th century births stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 19th century birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 19th century birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1840s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1840s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1850s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1850s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1890s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1890s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 20th century birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 20th century birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1900s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1900s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1910s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1910s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1920s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1920s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1930s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1930s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1940s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1940s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1950s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1950s birth stubs
 * Category:United States business biography, 1960s birth stubs to Category:American business biography, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United States chief executive stubs to Category:American chief executive stubs
 * Category:United States comics creator stubs to Category:American comics creator stubs
 * Category:United States computer specialist stubs to Category:American computer specialist stubs
 * Category:United States crime biography stubs to Category:American crime biography stubs
 * Category:United States entertainer stubs to Category:American entertainer stubs
 * Category:United States film biography stubs to Category:American film biography stubs
 * Category:United States film director stubs to Category:American film director stubs
 * Category:United States film director, 1890s birth stubs to Category:American film director, 1890s birth stubs
 * Category:United States film director, 1950s birth stubs to Category:American film director, 1950s birth stubs
 * Category:United States film director, 1960s birth stubs to Category:American film director, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United States government biography stubs to Category:American government biography stubs
 * Category:United States medical biography stubs to Category:American medical biography stubs
 * Category:United States military personnel stubs to Category:American military personnel stubs
 * Category:United States Air Force personnel stubs to Category:American Air Force personnel stubs
 * Category:United States Coast Guard personnel stubs to Category:American Coast Guard personnel stubs
 * Category:United States Marine Corps personnel stubs to Category:American Marine Corps personnel stubs
 * Category:United States Army personnel stubs to Category:American Army personnel stubs
 * Category:United States Navy personnel stubs to Category:American Navy personnel stubs
 * Category:United States model stubs to Category:American model stubs
 * Category:United States actor-model stubs to Category:American actor-model stubs
 * Category:United States music biography stubs to Category:American music biography stubs
 * Category:United States composer stubs to Category:American composer stubs
 * Category:United States composer, 19th century birth stubs to Category:American composer, 19th century birth stubs
 * Category:United States composer, 20th century birth stubs to Category:American composer, 20th century birth stubs
 * Category:United States songwriter stubs to Category:American songwriter stubs
 * Category:United States singer-songwriter stubs to Category:American singer-songwriter stubs
 * Category:United States conductor (music) stubs to Category:American conductor (music) stubs
 * Category:United States country musician stubs to Category:American country musician stubs
 * Category:United States country singer stubs to Category:American country singer stubs
 * Category:United States drummer stubs to Category:American drummer stubs
 * Category:United States rock drummer stubs to Category:American rock drummer stubs
 * Category:United States guitarist stubs to Category:American guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States rock guitarist stubs to Category:American rock guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States heavy metal guitarist stubs to Category:American heavy metal guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States punk rock guitarist stubs to Category:American punk rock guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States bass guitarist stubs to Category:American bass guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States hip hop biography stubs to Category:American hip hop biography stubs
 * Category:United States jazz musician stubs to Category:American jazz musician stubs
 * Category:United States jazz keyboardist stubs to Category:American jazz keyboardist stubs
 * Category:United States keyboardist stubs to Category:American keyboardist stubs
 * Category:United States jazz keyboardist stubs to Category:American jazz keyboardist stubs
 * Category:United States rock musician stubs to Category:American rock musician stubs
 * Category:United States rock drummer stubs to Category:American rock drummer stubs
 * Category:United States rock guitarist stubs to Category:American rock guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States heavy metal guitarist stubs to Category:American heavy metal guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States punk rock guitarist stubs to Category:American punk rock guitarist stubs
 * Category:United States rock singer stubs to Category:American rock singer stubs
 * Category:United States singer stubs to Category:American singer stubs
 * Category:United States country singer stubs to Category:American country singer stubs
 * Category:United States opera singer stubs to Category:American opera singer stubs
 * Category:United States pop singer stubs to Category:American pop singer stubs
 * Category:United States rhythm and blues singer stubs to Category:American rhythm and blues singer stubs
 * Category:United States rock singer stubs to Category:American rock singer stubs
 * Category:United States singer-songwriter stubs to Category:American singer-songwriter stubs
 * Category:United States songwriter stubs to Category:American songwriter stubs
 * Category:United States singer-songwriter stubs to Category:American singer-songwriter stubs
 * Category:United States violinist stubs to Category:American violinist stubs
 * Category:United States woodwind musician stubs to Category:American woodwind musician stubs
 * Category:United States record producer stubs to Category:American record producer stubs
 * Category:United States politics biographical stubs to Category:American politics biographical stubs
 * Category:United States radio people stubs to Category:American radio people stubs
 * Category:United States rail biography stubs to Category:American rail biography stubs
 * Category:United States religious biography stubs to Category:American religious biography stubs
 * Category:United States Christian clergy stubs to Category:American Christian clergy stubs
 * Category:United States bishop stubs to Category:American bishop stubs
 * Category:United States Roman Catholic bishop stubs to Category:American Roman Catholic bishop stubs
 * Category:United States academic scientist stubs to Category:American academic scientist stubs
 * Category:United States astronomer stubs to Category:American astronomer stubs
 * Category:United States biologist stubs to Category:American biologist stubs
 * Category:United States biochemist stubs to Category:American biochemist stubs
 * Category:United States botanist stubs to Category:American botanist stubs
 * Category:United States zoologist stubs to Category:American zoologist stubs
 * Category:United States ornithologist stubs to Category:American ornithologist stubs
 * Category:United States entomologist stubs to Category:American entomologist stubs
 * Category:United States chemist stubs to Category:American chemist stubs
 * Category:United States biochemist stubs to Category:American biochemist stubs
 * Category:United States geologist stubs to Category:American geologist stubs
 * Category:United States physicist stubs to Category:American physicist stubs
 * Category:United States sportspeople stubs to Category:American sportspeople stubs
 * Category:United States artistic gymnast stubs to Category:American artistic gymnast stubs
 * Category:United States auto racing biography stubs to Category:American auto racing biography stubs
 * Category:United States baseball biography stubs to Category:American baseball biography stubs
 * Category:United States baseball catcher stubs to Category:American baseball catcher stubs
 * Category:United States baseball catcher, 1880s birth stubs to Category:American baseball catcher, 1880s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball catcher, 1890s birth stubs to Category:American baseball catcher, 1890s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball catcher, 1910s birth stubs to Category:American baseball catcher, 1910s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball catcher, 1960s birth stubs to Category:American baseball catcher, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball infielder stubs to Category:American baseball infielder stubs
 * Category:United States baseball first baseman stubs to Category:American baseball first baseman stubs
 * Category:United States baseball second baseman stubs to Category:American baseball second baseman stubs
 * Category:United States baseball shortstop stubs to Category:American baseball shortstop stubs
 * Category:United States baseball third baseman stubs to Category:American baseball third baseman stubs
 * Category:United States baseball manager stubs to Category:American baseball manager stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1850s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1850s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1870s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1870s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1880s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1880s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder,1890s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1890s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1900s births stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1900s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1910s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1910s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1920s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1920s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1930s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1930s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1940s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1940s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1950s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1950s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1960s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1970s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1970s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball outfielder, 1980s birth stubs to Category:American baseball outfielder, 1980s birth stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1860s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1860s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1870s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1870s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1880s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1880s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1890s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1890s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1900s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1900s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1910s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1910s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1920s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1920s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1930s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1930s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1940s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1940s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1950s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1950s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1960s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1960s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1970s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1970s births stubs
 * Category:United States baseball pitcher, 1980s births stubs to Category:American baseball pitcher, 1980s births stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography stubs to Category:American basketball biography stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, pre-1910 birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, pre-1910 birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1910s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1910s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1920s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1920s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1930s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1930s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1940s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1940s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1950s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1950s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1960s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1970s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1970s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1980s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1980s birth stubs
 * Category:United States basketball biography, 1990s birth stubs to Category:American basketball biography, 1990s birth stubs
 * Category:United States boxing biography stubs to Category:American boxing biography stubs
 * Category:United States boxing Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American boxing Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States canoeist stubs to Category:American canoeist stubs
 * Category:United States chess biography stubs to Category:American chess biography stubs
 * Category:United States cycling biography stubs to Category:American cycling biography stubs
 * Category:United States fencing biography stubs to Category:American fencing biography stubs
 * Category:United States field hockey biography stubs to Category:American field hockey biography stubs
 * Category:United States golf biography stubs to Category:American golf biography stubs
 * Category:United States horse racing biography stubs to Category:American horse racing biography stubs
 * Category:United States lacrosse biography stubs to Category:American lacrosse biography stubs
 * Category:United States martial arts biography stubs to Category:American martial arts biography stubs
 * Category:United States motorcycle sport biography stubs to Category:American motorcycle sport biography stubs
 * Category:United States Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States boxing Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American boxing Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States rowing Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American rowing Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States swimming Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American swimming Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States track and field athletics Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American track and field athletics Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States water polo Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American water polo Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States Winter Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American Winter Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States Paralympic medalist stubs to Category:American Paralympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States professional wrestling biography stubs to Category:American professional wrestling biography stubs
 * Category:United States rowing biography stubs to Category:American rowing biography stubs
 * Category:United States rowing Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American rowing Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States soccer biography stubs to Category:American soccer biography stubs
 * Category:United States soccer defender stubs to Category:American soccer defender stubs
 * Category:United States soccer goalkeeper stubs to Category:American soccer goalkeeper stubs
 * Category:United States soccer midfielder stubs to Category:American soccer midfielder stubs
 * Category:United States soccer striker stubs to Category:American soccer striker stubs
 * Category:United States sport wrestler stubs to Category:American sport wrestler stubs
 * Category:United States sport shooting biography stubs to Category:American sport shooting biography stubs
 * Category:United States swimming biography stubs to Category:American swimming biography stubs
 * Category:United States swimming Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American swimming Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States tennis biography stubs to Category:American tennis biography stubs
 * Category:United States track and field athletics biography stubs to Category:American track and field athletics biography stubs
 * Category:United States high jumper stubs to Category:American high jumper stubs
 * Category:United States hurdler stubs to Category:American hurdler stubs
 * Category:United States long-distance runner stubs to Category:American long-distance runner stubs
 * Category:United States middle distance runner stubs to Category:American middle distance runner stubs
 * Category:United States track and field athletics Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American track and field athletics Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States sprinter stubs to Category:American sprinter stubs
 * Category:United States volleyball biography stubs to Category:American volleyball biography stubs
 * Category:United States water polo biography stubs to Category:American water polo biography stubs
 * Category:United States water polo Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American water polo Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States winter sports biography stubs to Category:American winter sports biography stubs
 * Category:United States bobsleigh biography stubs to Category:American bobsleigh biography stubs
 * Category:United States ice hockey biography stubs to Category:American ice hockey biography stubs
 * Category:United States ice hockey player stubs to Category:American ice hockey player stubs
 * Category:United States ice hockey defenceman stubs to Category:American ice hockey defenceman stubs
 * Category:United States ice hockey winger stubs to Category:American ice hockey winger stubs
 * Category:United States Winter Olympic medalist stubs to Category:American Winter Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United States skating biography stubs to Category:American skating biography stubs
 * Category:United States figure skating biography stubs to Category:American figure skating biography stubs
 * Category:United States sportswriter stubs to Category:American sportswriter stubs
 * Category:United States yacht racing biography stubs to Category:American yacht racing biography stubs
 * Category:United States television biography stubs to Category:American television biography stubs
 * Category:United States television journalist stubs to Category:American television journalist stubs
 * Category:United States television producer stubs to Category:American television producer stubs
 * Category:United States television writer stubs to Category:American television writer stubs
 * Category:United States writer stubs to Category:American writer stubs
 * Category:United States children's writer stubs to Category:American children's writer stubs
 * Category:United States fiction writer stubs to Category:American fiction writer stubs
 * Category:United States science fiction writer stubs to Category:American science fiction writer stubs
 * Category:United States non-fiction writer stubs to Category:American non-fiction writer stubs
 * Category:United States historian stubs to Category:American historian stubs
 * Category:United States sportswriter stubs to Category:American sportswriter stubs
 * Category:United States television journalist stubs to Category:American television journalist stubs
 * Category:United States political writer stubs to Category:American political writer stubs
 * Category:United States science fiction writer stubs to Category:American science fiction writer stubs
 * Category:United States sportswriter stubs to Category:American sportswriter stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom academic biography stubs to Category:British academic biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom economist stubs to Category:British economist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom linguist stubs to Category:British linguist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom philosopher stubs to Category:British philosopher stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom theologian stubs to Category:British theologian stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom activist stubs to Category:British activist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom screen actor stubs to Category:British screen actor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor stubs to Category:British television actor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor, 1940s birth stubs to Category:British television actor, 1940s birth stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor, 1950s birth stubs to Category:British television actor, 1950s birth stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor, 1960s birth stubs to Category:British television actor, 1960s birth stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor, 1970s birth stubs to Category:British television actor, 1970s birth stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television actor, 1980s birth stubs to Category:British television actor, 1980s birth stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom film actor stubs to Category:British film actor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom stage actor stubs to Category:British stage actor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom artist stubs to Category:British artist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom architect stubs to Category:British architect stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom painter stubs to Category:British painter stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom photographer stubs to Category:British photographer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom sculptor stubs to Category:British sculptor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom business biography stubs to Category:British business biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom comics creator stubs to Category:British comics creator stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom crime biography stubs to Category:British crime biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom engineer stubs to Category:British engineer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom computer specialist stubs to Category:British computer specialist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom film biography stubs to Category:British film biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom film actor stubs to Category:British film actor stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom film director stubs to Category:British film director stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom television journalist stubs to Category:British television journalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom law biography stubs to Category:British law biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom mathematician stubs to Category:British mathematician stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom medical biography stubs to Category:British medical biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom military personnel stubs to Category:British military personnel stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom model stubs to Category:British model stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom music biography stubs to Category:British music biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom guitarist stubs to Category:British guitarist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom bass guitarist stubs to Category:British bass guitarist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom jazz musician stubs to Category:British jazz musician stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom opera singer stubs to Category:British opera singer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom painter stubs to Category:British painter stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom MP stubs to Category:British MP stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom religious biography stubs to Category:British religious biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Christian clergy stubs to Category:British Christian clergy stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom bishop stubs to Category:British bishop stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Roman Catholic bishop stubs to Category:British Roman Catholic bishop stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom saint stubs to Category:British saint stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom geologist stubs to Category:British geologist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom astronomer stubs to Category:British astronomer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom biologist stubs to Category:British biologist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom botanist stubs to Category:British botanist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom zoologist stubs to Category:British zoologist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom ornithologist stubs to Category:British ornithologist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom entomologist stubs to Category:British entomologist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom chemist stubs to Category:British chemist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom physicist stubs to Category:British physicist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom sportspeople stubs to Category:British sportspeople stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom fencing biography stubs to Category:British fencing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom athletics biography stubs to Category:British athletics biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom athletics Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British athletics Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom auto racing biography stubs to Category:British auto racing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom badminton biography stubs to Category:British badminton biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom boxing biography stubs to Category:British boxing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom canoeist stubs to Category:British canoeist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom chess biography stubs to Category:British chess biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom cycling biography stubs to Category:British cycling biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom field hockey biography stubs to Category:British field hockey biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom field hockey Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British field hockey Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom golf biography stubs to Category:British golf biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom motorcycle racing biography stubs to Category:British motorcycle racing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom athletics Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British athletics Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom field hockey Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British field hockey Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom swimming Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British swimming Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom rowing biography stubs to Category:British rowing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom rugby league biography stubs to Category:British rugby league biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom rugby union biography stubs to Category:British rugby union biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom swimming biography stubs to Category:British swimming biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom swimming Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British swimming Olympic medalist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom tennis biography stubs to Category:British tennis biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom winter sports biography stubs to Category:British winter sports biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom ice hockey biography stubs to Category:British ice hockey biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom figure skating biography stubs to Category:British figure skating biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom yacht racing biography stubs to Category:British yacht racing biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom snooker biography stubs to Category:British snooker biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom motorcycle sport biography stubs to Category:British motorcycle sport biography stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom writer stubs to Category:British writer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom children's writer stubs to Category:British children's writer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom non-fiction writer stubs to Category:British non-fiction writer stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom novelist stubs to Category:British novelist stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom poet stubs to Category:British poet stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: These categories seem to be the only ones that use "United States" over "American", as seen in the subcategories of . These should be renamed for consistency and mainly because calling these articles United States film foo stubs sounds awkward to begin with. — ξ xplicit  22:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I see no reason why we should tackle just the film biography stub tree. There are a lot more "United States ... stubs" right now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that recently. I plan to go down the entire tree, I just have to find the time. — ξ xplicit  16:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We have over 300 "United States ... stubs", but only 107 "American ... stubs. I'm not sure which is better, but unless there's a clear concensus towards the latter, I oppose these renames. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC) withdraw vote due to relisting with added entries. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Compare the eight "Canada... stubs" to the 100+ "Canadian... stubs"; six "Scotland... stubs" to 31 "Scottish... stubs". If anything, the entire tree is a mess, so a nomination to bring it into line one way or the other is in order. I'll gather things up and relist it when I do get around to it. — ξ xplicit  19:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ξ xplicit  02:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Regarding the U.S. categories: While people of the Americas are "Americans", the word is (in English) more commonly associated specfically with the United States. On Wikipedia, in particular, "American" is used to mean "of or relating to the United States". Explicit correctly points out that the top-level parent categories use "American foo", not "United States foo"—cf. Category:American people and Category:American people stubs. Regarding the UK categories: The top-level parent categories use "British foo", not "United Kingdom foo"—cf. Category:British people and Category:British people stubs. The point about including people from Northern Ireland causes me to hesitate a little, but there's also the fact that the term "British" can apply to any citizen of the United Kingdom, irrespective of origin (see e.g. here). Regarding Category:United Kingdom MP stubs: The situation with this category is more complex, for two reasons, and may require a separate discussion. The first reason is that the occupation of "parliamentarian"—unlike, say, "artist"—is highly jurisdiction-specific, so precise wording is especially important. The second reason is that Category:British MP stubs already exists as a parent of the category, and the other parent is Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisting note. I've relisted this discussion from Stub types for deletion/Log/2010/September/17 for an all-encompassing nomination to address Od Mishehu's concerns. In addendum to my original rationale, I would also like to point to the fact that the parent categories is and, as opposed to  and . This, and the fact that it seems that these two category trees are the only ones who use Foo people stubs over Fooian people stubs, only points to the fact that these are inconsistent with the entire tree of . —  ξ xplicit  02:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all per many similar discussions in the past. "United States" is a perfectly acceptable adjective, and is widely used for stub types; "United Kingdom" is deliberately used in those cases where categories include people from Northern Ireland, who are technically not British. Furthermore, the general rule for stub categories is where a parent permanent category is "Fooian X", a stub category is "Fooian X stubs". Where a parent permcat is "X in/of Foo", the stub category is "Foo stubs". Most of the cases mentioned are of the latter form. Grutness...wha?  07:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just for clarification, you're aware that the nominated categories deal only with biographies, correct? I've made note that Northern Ireland is an exception. You state that the general rule of thumb where a parent permanent category is "Fooian X", a stub category is "Fooian X stubs". Taking the first category nominated,, the parent categories include and . Applying this rule of thumb—and assuming I didn't miss a point you made—should this not be renamed as proposed? All the United States categories' and United Kingdom categories', save the exception of Northern Ireland, parents or grandparents are American foo and British foo, respectively, as I highlighted in my example. —  ξ xplicit  08:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose As Grutness pointed out United Kingdom is not exactly the same as Britain, also potential anomalies re United States - which isn't even the largest country in the Americas  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  07:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your second point. Could you please elaborate? — ξ xplicit  08:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps - without trying to put words in WSC's mouth - the problem may be exemplified by the book "Essential history of American art" (S.Bailey, Parragon Books, 2001), which contains essential art from the Americas - including Mexico, Argentina, and Canada. The word "American" may be ambiguous, as it does not always refer specifically to the United States. And, as i pointed out before "United States" is an adjective, otherwise you wouldn't have the United States Navy or the United States House of Representatives.Grutness...wha?  08:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not necessarily seeing a problem here. These stub are grouping stub articles by the nationality of the individual. I proposed to rename the categories for two reason: to bring into line with the absolute parent,, which uses the Fooian people format rather than the Foo people format, and to bring as much consistency to the category tree as possible—if you'll notice, is a mishmash between United States people and American people. How helpful is that, especially when stub categories not relating to the United States or the United Kingdom overwhelmingly use the Fooian people format?  shows this, just avoid  under  and  under —of which, its subcategories are the nomination—and you'll see it hold true throughout most, if not the entire tree. Whether the art, music, novels, whatever legacy these individuals leave behind is something that represents North America, South American, or any other continent or region as a whole has nothing to do with these stub categories, nor is it what they are meant to do. —  ξ xplicit  08:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not the point I'm making. Mexicans are, by definition, American. So are people from Argentina, Canada, and people from the United States. Conversely, people from Northern Ireland are from the United Kingdom, but are not British. Grutness...wha?  09:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * They are North American, yes, and and the others are categorized under . Wikipedia makes the distinction here that Americans are only from the United States. This is why we have, not . —  ξ xplicit  15:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename per standard use of adjectives in WP. The argument that Mexicans and Canadians are "Americans" is a little bit forced and artificial. Every regular category in WP uses "American" and "British" for these nationalities and so too should the stub categories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support all And any variant (e.g. UK foo or U.S. bar) should be changed to "American" or "British" as necessary, per consistency and proper English. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all, except perhaps Category:United Kingdom MP stubs.
 * Oppose all I agree entirely with Grutness. The reason that the tree contains inconsistencies is often (not always) because the given topic is usually (conventionally) talked about in those terms.  The English language is not consistent.  Consistency should never be imposed for consistencies sake, there needs to be an underlying reason to justify consistency. --Bejnar (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I would think it should be the reverse: there needs to be an underlying reason to justify inconsistency. In any case, can you please clarify the part about "the given topic is usually (conventionally) talked about in those terms"? I didn't quite understand that. Thank you, -- Black Falcon (talk)
 * The justification for inconsistency is that the world is inconsistent. Have you read "Self-Reliance" by Ralph Waldo Emerson? We traditionally talk about, for example, the English language, the British Empire, the United States Army, and the American West.  That kind of inconsistency in inherent in a free-ranging language such as English. --Bejnar (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this approach is not ideal when attempting to organize an encyclopedia into units of groupings called categories. In such an effort, some degree of consistency and predictability will assist the user. Users read encyclopedias in part to provide some understanding and order from the chaos of real life, and standardizing the use of some terminology seems helpful. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Explain how this change "will assist the user". My own opinion is that people will look for the United States Army under US and the American West under American, and that imposing this specific consistency will be more detrimental than beneficial.  There is a reason why there is variation here.  --Bejnar (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Easy--a user is familiar with the general category structure and decides to search for this category, which he knows exists but can't quite remember the name. It is an impediment to require the user to remember that this category is the only one among hundreds that uses "United States" as the descriptive adjective, while all the others use "American". It's quite easy to think of many non-browsing situations where consistency could be more helpful than randomness in choice of category names. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree with this for various reasons above but if this does go through then I think we need to be careful which categories do change we have as a per cat do we really want to change the stub cat to  (And likewise for navy/air force/marines/coast guard) along the same lines we have  and we are saying we should change it's stub cat to !. The political system in the UK is/has never been simple and so we already have a  and a  both doing different jobs these should not be merged.  Waacstats (talk) 08:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither of your examples fit the rename proposal nor its rationale. shouldn't be renamed because the main article for the category is United States Army; the main article for  is Federal government of the United States. There's no sense in changing it from United States to American in either case. Oh, and holy crap, I just came into the realization that some of these categories fit exactly what I'm opposing. I've stricken seven categories that deal with government-related topics, and I think that may be part of what generated the opposes above. Other than that, the rest seem to still be in line with my view on the subject. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  21:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that they didn't fir the rationale (and yet appeared on the list) is why I mentioned them, I would also strike the as that has different usage to . Waacstats (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, parent article is Parliament of the United Kingdom. That's gone too. Do you oppose the rest as well, or were these the only issues? — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  17:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I oppose the rest but the reason for those are discussed above by others and I don't really want to see this go over old ground again so just wanted to make sure that if this goes through some sense remains in the naming. Waacstats (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support rename. There's no reason to name stub categories differently from the corresponding article categories here. If articles are categorized as American sculptors, for example, the logical name for the stub category is American sculptor stubs. Jafeluv (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:United States film director stubs, as the parent category is Category:American film directors.  Lugnuts  (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all (excepting those already struck out of the nomination) for consistency with parent categories. --RL0919 (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename all per above and nom. WikiCopter (♠ • ♣ &bull; ♥ • ♦ &bull; simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 01:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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