Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2011/August/11

Rename PRChina-rail-station-stub → PRChina-railstation-stub

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The result of the discussion was Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The one got left behind in the cleanup of rail-station to railstation from May 2011. Propose rename and leave a redirect in place. SeveroTC 10:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Czech-*-stub templates

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The result of the discussion was Rename -- DQ  (t)   (e)  05:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I think we should rename the following templates, per Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/September: עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Czech-film-director-stub to CzechRepublic-film-director-stub
 * Czech-film-stub to CzechRepublic-film-stub
 * Czech-hist-stub to CzechRepublic-hist-stub
 * Czech-school-stub to CzechRepublic-school-stub


 * Keep all as they are, per the arguements at the releated CfD.  Lugnuts  (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename - This has nothing to do with changing category names - these are template names which do not meet standard WSS nomenclature. The categories would not be changed. In any case, even if categories were involved, stub types are in general by nationality/location, not ethnicity. Most of the arguments being bandied around in the CfD nomination do not apply - this is especially the case with the school type, as it is very difficult to argue that a school in the Czech Republic is not a Czech Republic school. What'smore, the arguments at CfD relate to the nationality/ethnicity of individual people, in which case they could only possibly apply to the first of these four nominations. Grutness...wha?  01:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do not rename. I don't think that introducing or perpetuating differences between usage in stub categories and normal categories is a good idea, and in normal categories "Czech" is the demonym for things from the Czech Republic. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * These are only template names - and the naming conventions for stub templates are "currentcountryname-foo-stub" (e.g., Australia-school-stub and Germany-geo-stub, not Australian-school-stub and German-geo-stub). No-one's suggesting changing the categories at all. And all other similar templates already use CzechRepublic- .Grutness...wha?  02:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * D'oh, yes. Brain freeze on my part. Thank you. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename per Grutness. I read way too fast on this and assumed it was about categories. I see no problem with making this change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Partly my fault - my original comments clouded the water (I've since refactored them a bit). Grutness...wha?  02:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment So are all films and film directors in these stubs from the Czech Republic? What about people/films that happened before the formation of the Czech Republic?  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As with other countries, they're listed by the current national borders. It makes for more effective stubbing. That way, someone born, say in what is now Macedonia or Belarus 100 years ago and still alive wouldn't need about half a dozen national stubs. Thus, for instance, Gradinja of Duklja is marked with a Montenegro-bio-stub, even though - as the article's name suggests, he was from the nation of Duklja (Montenegro was not to come into existence until several hundred years after he died). Similarly, Ceol of Wessex is listed with a United Kingdom nobility-related stub, even though the IUnited Kingdom didn't exist when he was alive. Grutness...wha?  00:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to the policy that states this? If the Czech Republic ceases to exist today, we'd delete all the stubs and rename them to the new nations? Thanks.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not policy, but an entrenched part of WP:WSS's naming conventions. And yes, we would, though we would leave redirects from the former country's name. The country has never been called simply "Czech" however. Grutness...wha?  19:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "Not policy" - Note to closing admin there's no policy to rename this, and WP:COMMONSENSE should apply. Czech and Czech Republic are not the same thing.  Lugnuts  (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "Naming convention". "Czech and Czech Republic are not the same thing." That's the entire point - Czech Republic is a country, "Czech" has never been the name of a country, and stub names use country names as their descriptors. Why should the Czech Republic's stubs be treated in a different way to every other country on earth's stubs? There has never been a country called "Czech", so why would this be the only stub group which does not use a country name - especially when other stub types covering the same area are all at CzechRepublic-foo-stub? These are stubs for the Czech Republic, and historic articles for that area currently in the Czech Republic. As such, naming convention is for Czech Republic to be used. Grutness...wha?  00:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ever had one of those days when you can't see the wood for the trees? Yes, I now see the point of "Czech" not existing as a country. D'oh.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep all Czech is fine as it covers both Czechoslovakia and Czech Republic and there is often considerable overlap. What about the films in Czechoslovakia pre 1990s? You can't rename Czech-film-stub or Czech-history-stub etc as through most of Czech history Czech Republic did not even exist!!  Of course you could create those suggested as well.♦  Dr. Blofeld  16:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Films pre-1990 would presumably be marked with Czechoslovakia-stub, one of the few stubs which is specifically designed for a former country. The history stubs relate to the history of the country now called the Czech Republic - Dr.B, you know stubbing conventions well enough to know that it's standard practice for history stubs to be marked with a current country's stub type, and that that type's name always starts with a noun - otherwise we could have dozens of templates on om articles, all referring to the same place. And which of the schools marked with Czech-school-stub are currently in Czechoslovakia? Grutness...wha?  19:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename all per stub naming conventions which use country name, not denonym. I don't see any argument that applies to school or film stubs, as any from Czechoslovakia can use Czechoslovakia-stub. The history and film director stubs I have more sympathy but we can't treat the Czech Republic different just because there isn't a common single-word name for the country. SeveroTC 14:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename all – to the name Czechia. This is the proper short name of this country, this is the variant suggested (and used) by the Czech geographs and historians. (But, unfortunately, denied by politicians and bosses of tourist industry – here is not space to discuss why it is so.) Because the Czech Republic exist only since 1969 (as the Czech Socialist Republic within the scope of the Czechoslovak Federation) or rather since 1993 (after dividing of Czechoslovakia), there is a problem – reflected in comments above me – with era before these years. Using of short geographical name perfectly solves such ambiguity. --Iaroslavvs (talk) 23:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that no one (at least outside the Czech Republic) uses the term Czechia (even if such a term would clear things up here) and it still goes against stub naming guidelines. SeveroTC 11:46, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * '''Rename all per nom. Agathoclea (talk) 13:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep all. That was patent nonsense trying to rename it. --Snek01 (talk) 00:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While I understand that some users may oppose my proposal, I find it objectionable that you would refer to it as patent nonsense. I'm requesting that these stub tags be brought in line with the realted tags - in this case, the other tags for the same country. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:19, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename - old naming is confusing: "Czech" means many things Czech, "CzechRepublic" is single meaning. Lodni Vandr (talk) 03:00, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep all - No need to change, works fine as is. Dolovis (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The current names of these tags don't match names of all the other related tags,namely the other tags of the same country. If you think that the name "CzechRepublic" is wrong, feel free to nominate CzechRepublic-stub for renaming. Unless that category is renamed, I think that all other tags of this country should match CzechRepublic-stub. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:19, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Northern Ireland election stubs/Template:NI-election-stub

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The result of the discussion was Upmerge the category, move and redirect the template. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  21:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I think we should upmerge the category as underpopulated (a quick scan shows only 26 stubs) and rename the template per Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/September. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Assuming is not ambiguous it may be kept as a redirect to , just as with the -geo- stub template. - Nabla (talk) 13:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:European Union-stub

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The result of the discussion was delete - again

Delete - created in October 08 as a redirect to EU-stub. Clearly a violation of standard stub tag naming, and a stub tag (not a redirect) by this name was previously deleted at Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/June. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this would probably count as a speedy delete, especially as its unused. A non-spacey EuropeanUnion-stub redirect might be appropriate, though. Grutness...wha?  06:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Just realised this had previously been deleted through SFD, so yes, speediable. Grutness...wha?  00:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Perth-road-stub

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The result of the discussion was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC) Old redirect left behind from an old SFD move to WesternAustralia-road-stub, no longer used. I think we should delete it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, especially since Perth is hardly unambiguous... Grutness...wha?  06:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:US-football-bio-stub
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The result of the discussion was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC) I discovered this while looking back at old SfD discussions. This is a redirect to US-footy-bio-stub, and has nothing to do with what in the US is called football. This template is unused; I think we should delete it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Kiwi-stub (redirect)
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The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

An embarrassing throwback to the early days of stub-sorting. Fails the "what it says on the label" test - this is a redirect to NewZealand-stub, not a stub type for the bird species. Now rarely in use, the number of articles which it is on has shrunk markedly over the years. Created way back in 2004 by a naive young stubsorter called User:Grutness, and quickly moved to its current, more NC-compliant name. It also frees up the name in the unlikely event we need it for apterygidae. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  02:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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