Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2011/July/17

Tamil Eelam-stub

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The result of the discussion was delete for now at least. Maybe worth revisiting once the WikiProject is up and running via WSS proposals page

Unproposed template, which explains the non-standard scope, non-convention compliant name, and incorrect coding of the template. Stub types are rarely if ever accepted for independentist regions (note the discussions in the past on such regions as Turkish North Cyprus and Kurdistan). Even if it had been proposed and accepted, it would not have been given the current name, which goes against stub template naming conventions. doesn't give any indication that the stub type would reach threshold even if it were created, and us undersized, so splitting out a separate stub type for Tamil Eelam would seem a bad move. It is not used for any article - the only link to the page suggests it is for use by WikiProject Tamil Eelam - yet there is no such WikProject as WikiProject Tamil Eelam. Even if there were such a project, they would surely be better served by an assessment banner template.

So... a misnamed, malformed, non-subject-standard template has been created without proposal for a nonexistent WikiProject. It is not in use, and if it were to be used it wouldn't reach any sort of sustainable level. Delete. Grutness...wha?  09:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Your suggestions are appreciated. :) Keep. Wiki Raja (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Not suggestions - arguments. Which you haven't addressed. Grutness...wha?  00:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, currently, I'm creating a new WikiProject as I have done with a few others. In the event, there is a template I use where a stub is included. When building a project, all pages, stubs, etc are created first by using 'User:Wiki Raja/Tamil Eelam-stub', for example. In this case, I just created it using 'template:' instead. The WikiProject is not up and running yet, since I am getting some interested folks to join first. Wiki Raja (talk)


 * The template was created to see how it would look in the WikiProject I'm creating. But, since you've mentioned, is there anywhere in the 'stub' guidelines that states stubs 'independentist regions' cannot be created? Wiki Raja (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Only massive precedent. They've always been deleted in the past if created, or rejected if proposed. They cause too much edit-warring to be worthwhile for either WP:WSS or the group intending to use them. And while edit-warring in pages is easily controllable, edit-warring in templates is a far more wide-reaching and messy problem. I suggest you'd find far more use from an assessment banner than from a stub template anyway - it is the first-line article template used by WikiProjects (stub templates are not for specific use by individual-subject WikiProjects). See here for more information about them. In any case, creating a stub type for a WikiProject before you create the WikiProject is, to put it bluntly, crazy. If you're intending to start a WikiProject, first check to see you've got a body of Wikipedians interested in the idea, then set out the boundaries of the topic area, recognise any problems with the problem areas, and identify what articles there are and what articles are missing from your subject area. All after the WikiProject has been launched. Then you can start thinking about assessment and identifying whether a stub type would be useful. After which, if you decide one is needed, you propose one. Have you read WikiProject Council/Guide? It explains things pretty clearly... Grutness...wha?  00:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. Sorry for the confusion. Regards. Wiki Raja (talk) 01:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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FilchnerRonne-geo-stub /

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The result of the discussion was rename

Should've known this would happen. As soon as I create a new stub type with the note "there doesn't seem to be a better name", a better name emerges. Propose renaming this stub type to EdithRonneLand-geo-stub /, keeping the current template name as a redirect. Grutness...wha?  00:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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