Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2011/July/5

Trinidad and Tobago-stub

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The result of the discussion was Delete. 's proposal to create a Tobago-stub redirect may be worth doing, though. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this was created by a brand new WikiProject, by someone who (a) doesn know stub naming conventions, (b) doesn't know to propose new stub types, and (c) didn't know we already had a long-standing Trinidad-stub. Unused, unnecessary duplicate with a non-convention name - Delete. Grutness...wha?  12:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We need a stub for the people to put on pages that link to Trinidad and Tobago. Keep and SAVED this Stub. (Kylekieran (talk) 13:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)).
 * You have one, and have had for years - Trinidad-stub. This is a duplicate, and therefore deletable. Grutness...wha?  01:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But it not include Tobago in the Trinidad-stub, so that why we created the Trinidad and Tobago-stub. ((Kylekieran (talk) 16:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)))
 * In which case the way to proceed would have been to propose a Tobago-stub at WP:WSS/P. However, the wording on the templates makes it clear that they are for the whole country - in exactly the same way that Antigua-stub is also for use on articles relating to the whole of Antigua and Barbuda, SaintVincent-stub is for use on articles for all of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and SouthGeorgia-stub is for use on all articles relating to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Grutness...wha?  01:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support delete. The existing template name itself does not include Tobago. But the verbiage on the template and category certainly does, as well as the category name itself.  So what shows up in each of the articles truly does indicate "Trinidad and Tobago".  Dawynn (talk) 14:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Tobago is not in Trinidad but it the two Islands and two differant name that why we need to have a Trinidad and Tobago-stub and delete the Trinidad-stub. In the constitution it shall be know as the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, but not the Republic of Trinidad.(Kylekieran (talk) 13:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC))
 * See what I wrote above. The Grenadines are not in Saint Vincent, yet SaintVincent-stub is used. Barbuda is not in Antigua, yet Antigua-stub is used. The South Sandwich Islands are not in South Georgia, yet SouthGeorgia-stub is used. All perfectly standard. Similarly, Trinidad-stub is used for Tobago. Always has been. It was named that way after consultation with WikiProject Trinidad and Tobago, and with T&T's longest-standing Wikipedia,, User:Guettarda. If it's good enough for them and is nmed in a way which is standard and frequently used for stub templates, there's no reason why it shouldn't be used. What's more, your new stub not only completely duplicates Trinidad-stub, but is also named in a way which contravenes stub template naming conventions. As such, it needs to be deleted.
 * If your complaint is with the current name of the template, the solution is not to make a duplicate with a convention-defying name. That is disruptive to the stub-sorting process. The correct thing to have done would have been to propose changing the name of the template here, at WP:SFD. That would have saved you the difficulty of trying to defend an incorrectly named and unnecessary duplicate, would have saved WP:WSS the job of trying to deal with an extra unnecessary template, and would have saved the possibility of having one template with one name and other templates using another name (you've only made a duplicate of one of the several T&T related stub types. If, by some chance, it was accepted as a reasonable name despite going against naming conventions, then it would be different to all the others). Grutness...wha?  13:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * But we are not part of their countries and also we want to change our stub from Trinidad to Trinidad and Tobago...please heard my voice out! (Kylekieran (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC))
 * You miss the points I've made, or are ignoring them:
 * Tobago is as much part of Trinidad and Tobago as Barbuda is of Antigua and Barbuda (ad similarly the other examples). Antigua-stub is used for both Antigua and Barbuda; similarly, Trinidad-stub is used for both Trinidad and Tobago.
 * Trinidad and Tobago-stub goes against official naming conventions.
 * The right way to go about this is NOT to create a stub type and then complain because it is proposed for deletion - the right way is to propose the stub type for renaming here, or propose a separate stub type for creation at WP:WSS/P. If you want to change the name of the template, propose changing it!
 * As a possible solution to your concerns, the best idea might be to have a stub template name, Tobago-stub, as a redirect to Trinidad-stub. That way, the stubs will still be sorted in the same way they are now, but there will be indication via that whatlinkshere tool for the template to enable us - and you - to determine whether there are sufficient Tobago-specific stubs to allow for a separate template and category. Grutness...wha?  03:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to change every stub and make it all in ones like Antigua and Barbuda-stub,St. Kitts and Nevis-stub,Trinidad and Tobago-stub. Today so no body would not complained...(Kylekieran (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC))
 * And perhaps also United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland-stub? Have you actually checked the naming conventions for stub templates that I linked above? It's in amongst all the other arguments you haven't addressed yet. Grutness...wha?  01:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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Punkmusic-stub &rarr; Punk-music-stub

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The result of the discussion was rename

Simple rename. Since it's a subtype of music-stub, surely there should be an extra hyphen in this stub template. The current name could be kept as a redirect, though since it's only been used six times it likely wouldn't be missed if it wan't. Grutness...wha?  13:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
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