Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Deleted/February 2006

Ballpark-stub /
Discovered in November. Used on 25 articles. IMO, it makes more sense to split stadium stubs by location, not stadium use. Delete because of that and small size. Conscious 07:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 09:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Split by type of stadium is not useful, since a lot of stadia are multi-use. Split by location would be far more useful. These can always be double-stubbed with baseball-stub if necessary. Grutness...wha?  23:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Experimental-music-stub /
Discovered in November. Used on 16 articles, 14 of which are about musicians and 1 about a band (and should thus go into other categories). Delete because a category with 1 article is too small (even 16, too). Conscious 07:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Super-duper delete. Alai 09:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a legitimate and specific musical genre and a stub in this category is useful.  (BTW why are these cats already being deleted without time being allowed for voting?)  Badagnani 23:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * They are being removed because this particular stub type has gone beyond the seven day discussion period (hence being moved into the "old business" section), with the decisions being to delete it. --TheParanoidOne 10:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What if we added the category to more articles? Would it then be the right size and get a "keep" vote? Hyacinth 09:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

podcast-stub /
Hardly used. The thought of its existance encourages every Tom, Dick, and Harry to write a Wikipedia article about their podcast. If a short article doesn't fit into a better category than this, it probably needs to be deleted as podcruft and for lack of encyclopedic merit or merged if applicable. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  10:34, Feb. 2, 2006
 * Comment: there are two duplicates, podcasting-stub and podcasts-stub. Conscious 11:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Wipe them all out, too small; like nominator not especially keen on "future use" prospects. Alai 20:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, most articles about podcasts seem to end up getting deleted anyway, so a stub category for them wouldn't ever get a chance to grow much beyond its current state. Just change them all to use the web-stub (which is currently pretty big but most of the things in there should be website-stubs anyway). - Bobet 19:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep one but delete the other two duplicates - I would recommend keeping podcasting-stub out of the three because Podcasting is the name of the main article on this technology. Jdcompguy 13:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete all. There simply aren't enough stubs for this now. A stub type can always be re-created later if needed, but it certainly isn't needed yet. Grutness...wha?  07:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Organic-compound-start / and Inorganic-compound-start /
These two were discovered in November. They are used on 37 and 24 articles, respectively. I'm not quite sure if these templates and categories are in SFD scope, but they combine articles on specific topics on the basis of their completeness. I propose that we mark all stubs in these categories with (in)organic-compound-stub, mark all non-stubs with expand and then delete these templates/categories. Conscious 07:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hrm. These templates are "stub-like", but are they stubs?  Maybe cross-refer to CFD for additional input.  Alai 09:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The template code contains &lt;div ... id="stub"&gt; among other things, which means they were probably copied from the stub templates. Again, I'm not sure that matters. I've left a note at WP:CFD. Conscious 10:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * it should probably be mentioned at TFD as well. If the decision is that it's within the scop of this page then I'd vote for delete, since they basically duplicate organic-compound-stub and inorganic-compound-stub. Grutness...wha?  06:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * They were created for use on articles which are more than stubs but which still need substantial work. It seems as if they haven't really caught on, but I will leave a note with the creator and at WP:Chem. No vote. Physchim62 (talk) 05:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Saudi-stub &rarr; SaudiArabia-stub
Only a minor quibble here, but it may be worth changing. Saudi implies that it is about the royal family, rather than about the country. I've brought it here now because I'm going to be proposing a SaudiArabia-geo-stub in the next few days, and it's worth getting them consistent. Wouldn't object if Saudi-stub was kept as a redirect, but I don't think it should be the basic template name. Grutness...wha?  06:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Saudi is an accepted short form of Saudi Arabian. I see nothing wrong with it. Burning phoneix 00:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That would still make it an adjective, and all stub template names are supposed to be nouns according to the naming conventions. Grutness...wha?  00:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As you wish, I don't mind. The old one should be kept as a redirect though. Burning phoneix 10:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I've no objection to keeping it as a redirect. Grutness...wha?  12:50, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It is actually also used as a reference for the country, but that's somewhat informal. Certainly rename, probably leave a redirect.  Alai 01:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per Grutness. --Valentinian 08:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and keep redirect. Conscious 14:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and keep redirect. --Burning phoneix 21:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect Ashibaka tock 06:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator. --NormanEinstein 15:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Videogames journalism-stub /
Discovered in November, used on 4 articles. Too specific, delete. Conscious 10:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. Cuts across several categories and clearly isn't anywhere near threshold. Not useful. Grutness...wha?  12:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Minnesota-stub (redlink category)
Discovered in November, used on 2 articles. Too few, delete. Conscious 10:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

miscellaneous-stub / ; redirect misc-stub
Recently created, used on one article (which is marginal for being a stub on length), proposed only after the fact. Delete this, as per previous similar meta-splits of stub such as "unsorted stub". Alai 22:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. if (as i think) its been made before and deleted then cant it be speedied?  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think something tantamount to this was indeed deleted recently, but with a different name, and as far as I know, this was someone else's idea, so isn't a recreation as such. If decidedly close to such.  Alai 23:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (as I said on the Proposals page). --Valentinian 19:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, useful home for stubs which don't fall into any other category and which tend to end up as vocab-stubs by default. Kappa 18:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete This is what stub and are for.  Slambo (Speak)  21:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. If there's no other category for them, they should simply remain in . Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 21:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The idea is that is temporary, as a clearing house for stubs which haven't been sorted yet. Kappa 00:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And thus misc- is to be what, a permanent backwater? Alai 07:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, since the whole concept is silly and would just harm WP:WPSS. In the end, people would just tag the not-so-clear cases with this template instead of leaving them at category:Stubs, which would just prolong the problem and not help in actually sorting the stubs into useful categories. - Bobet 22:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * But often they aren't sorted into useful categories, they are shoehorned into some tangetially related category or dumped in the totally unsuitable . Kappa 00:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * With the vast majority there's no need for shoehorning. Yes, some did get added to vocab-stub, but that issue was debated and resolved. Unclassifiable stubs simply remain in until a pattern emerges as to a possible new category - it's not a total clearing house, as the average of 150 stubs in there at any time makes obvious. Simply calling them "miscellaneous" is as good as dumping them in the bin, since stub sorters would never look at them again and editors would never find them (unless there are editors around whose area of expertise is "miscellaneous"). Delete. Grutness...wha?  00:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Move Category:Reptile and amphibian stubs to Category:Reptile stubs
Following the creation of new stub categories, particularly Category:Amphibian stubs, this category is now restricted to reptiles, a fact which should be reflected in its title. Please see WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals for relevant background. Stemonitis 07:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * sounds perfectly logical. Despite that, I support this proposal :) Grutness...wha?  09:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, despite what Grutness said. Kappa 18:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. - Bobet 22:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. — Feb. 17, '06 [19:30] 

/ Guyane-geo-stub
from Alais list. Had three stubs and even if we added all the ones in Grutnesses last tally thered be less than 15. in any case the parent category is called french guiana not guyane.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. Waaay too small. Maybe this will be needed one day, but not for a long time, judging by the total of 11 stubs and the threshold of 65. SouthAm-geo-stub is perfectly adequate for now. Grutness...wha?  00:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as chronically undersized. Alai 17:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into a outre-mer-geo-stub &rarr; along with the other French overseas parts.  Since the overseas regions are not part of Metropolitan France I can see a reason for treating them differently, but together I think there will likely be enough to get close to and possibly over the 60 stub guideline.  Caerwine Caerwhine  02:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Excluding French Polynesia, which has its own category, there'd be about 40 tops. Grutness...wha?  03:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

The rationale behind me creating these French overseas department stubs was that every other French (metropolitan) department has its own stub. Eventually, I imagine that these stubs would have a reasonable number of articles to justify their existence. Kiwipete 09:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite a number of those others should be brought here, too. The original proposal, as listed at WP:WSS/P, was to split off only those départements which reached threshold. The fact that a lot of others have been split off and are nowhere near the level for stub categories means that they should come here too. Detailed tallies are kept of the various countries, territories and départements around the world, and separate stub categories are split off for each one when it reaches 65 stubs. Réunion has four, which is completely useless for stub-sorting and editing purposes. The templates and categories can easily be re-created, iff they reach threshold. Grutness...wha?  09:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

/ Guadeloupe-geo-stub
from Alais list. Had two stubs and even if we added all the ones in Grutnesses last tally thered be less than 15.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. As above. Caribbean-geo-stub is perfectly adequate for now. Grutness...wha?  00:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as chronically undersized. Alai 17:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge as per reason under Guyane. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine 02:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

/ Réunion-geo-stub
from Alais list. Had three stubs and even if we added all the ones in Grutnesses last tally thered be less than 5.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. As above. AfricaS-geo-stub is perfectly adequate for now. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as chronically undersized. Alai 17:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge as per reason under Guyane. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine 02:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Renaming corporation stubs to company stubs
The vast majority of subcategories in Category:Companies use the wording "Foo companies". However, the top-level category for stubs about companies is Category:Corporation stubs, and the vast majority of its sub-categories use the wording "Foo corporation stubs". Their needs to be consistency in wording. As per types of companies, all corporations are companies, but not all companies are corporations. I am proposing that all stubs containing "corp" in their name and their parent-categories be renamed to use a wording based on the word "company", as it has a larger scope than "corporation". This proposal was offered at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for discussion a week ago but received no responses. The following renamings are proposed:

Categories:
 * Category:Aeronautical corporation stubs to Category:Aeronautical company stubs
 * Category:Automotive corporation stubs to Category:Automotive company stubs
 * Category:Finance corporation stubs to Category:Finance company stubs
 * Category:Canadian corporation stubs to Category:Canadian company stubs
 * Category:Computer and video game corporation stubs to Category:Computer and video game company stubs
 * Category:Corporation stubs to Category:Company stubs
 * Category:Energy corporation stubs to Category:Energy company stubs
 * Category:Food corporation stubs to Category:Food company stubs
 * Category:Hong Kong corporation stubs to Category:Hong Kong company stubs
 * Category:Hotel corporation stubs to Category:Hotel company stubs
 * Category:ICT corporation stubs to Category:ICT company stubs
 * Category:Industrial corporation stubs to Category:Industrial company stubs
 * Category:Japanese corporation stubs to Category:Japanese company stubs
 * Category:Korean corporation stubs to Category:Korean company stubs
 * Category:Leisure corporation stubs to Category:Leisure company stubs
 * Category:Medical corporation stubs to Category:Medical company stubs
 * Category:Petroleum corporation stubs to Category:Petroleum company stubs
 * Category:Retail corporation stubs to Category:Retail company stubs
 * Category:Service corporation stubs to Category:Service company stubs
 * Category:Technological corporation stubs to Category:Technological company stubs
 * Category:Transportation corporation stubs to Category:Transportation company stubs
 * Category:UK finance corporation stubs to Category:UK finance company stubs
 * Category:UK retail corporation stubs to Category:UK retail company stubs

Templates: Please note that comp-stub currently exists as a redirect to compu-stub. --Kurieeto 18:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * aero-corp-stub to aero-comp-stub or (aero-company-stub
 * auto-corp-stub to auto-comp-stub or (auto-company-stub
 * canada-corp-stub to canada-comp-stub or (canada-company-stub
 * chemical-corp-stub to chemical-comp-stub or (chemical-company-stub
 * corp-stub to comp-stub or company-stub
 * cvg-corp-stub to cvg-comp-stub or (cvg-company-stub
 * energy-corp-stub to energy-comp-stub or (energy-company-stub
 * food-corp-stub to food-comp-stub or (food-company-stub
 * HK-corp-stub to HK-comp-stub or (HK-company-stub
 * hotel-corp-stub to hotel-comp-stub or (hotel-company-stub
 * ict-corp-stub to ict-comp-stub or (ict-company-stub
 * India-corp-stub to India-comp-stub or (India-company-stub
 * industry-corp-stub to industry-comp-stub or (industry-company-stub
 * Japan-corp-stub to Japan-comp-stub or (Japan-company-stub
 * Korea-corp-stub to Korea-comp-stub or (Korea-company-stub
 * leisure-corp-stub to leisure-comp-stub or (leisure-company-stub
 * manufacturing-corp-stub to manufacturing-comp-stub or (manufacturing-company-stub
 * petroleum-corp-stub to petroleum-comp-stub or (petroleum-company-stub
 * service-corp-stub to service-comp-stub or (service-company-stub
 * tech-corp-stub to tech-comp-stub or (tech-company-stub
 * telecom-corp-stub to telecom-comp-stub or (telecom-company-stub
 * transportation-corp-stub to transportation-comp-stub or (transportation-company-stub


 * I'm not fond of the template proposal. *-comp-stub is too similar to *-compu-stub. *-company-stub would be better, imo. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 21:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've edited the proposal to reflect *-company-stub as now being a second formal option for the template renamings. Kurieeto 21:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * do we need to change the template names? the caagories yes but cant we stick with "corp" as the abbreviation for the templates?  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would prefer that the templates be changed as well. Otherwise we are actively perpetuating an inaccuracy by choosing "corp" over "company". Kurieeto 01:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Categories names, fair enough. Template names, also don't like the -comp- options.  Suggest we rename to -company- and retain -corp- as redirects.  Alai 03:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree exactly with Alai. Change the cats, change the templates to -company-, keep the current names as redirects. The redirects can probably be emptied by bot when the category names are changed, too. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  03:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename as Alai and Grutness suggest. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename the categories, Keep the -corp- stub nomenclature (as redirects, at least) so you don't confuse the hell out of everybody when they appear as red links. — Feb. 19, '06 [23:31] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]>

Comment: All categories moved. All templates renamed and redirects kept. Redirects added to WP:WSS/R. --TheParanoidOne 12:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

&rarr;
Not sure how this one escaped the "Great -Related Purge of 2005", but it did - rename'. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * can't this be speedied?  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  05:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename, speedily IAAP. Alai 17:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename the last of the 'related-'s. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedily recategorized, this is not really a stubs issue though. — Feb. 17, '06 [19:14] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]>

JNB-stub (redirect)
We've been a lot more lenient on redirects lately, which is perhaps a good thing - as long as it's clear what the redirect is for by looking at it, that seens to be acceptable. But - wthout looking at this redirect (no peeking now!) how many of you can tell what it's for? Any ideas? It's for Johannesburg-stub. All of the articles that use it seem to be things which (if we had one) would be marked with johannesburg-geo-stub, anyway. Joburg I can accept as an abbreviation... but JNB? (BTW, it's the Joburg airport's three letter code, so it's like having YYZ-stub redirecting to Toronto-stub). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  08:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete for the reasons above.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  05:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually JHB is a common abbreviation used for Johannesburg in South Africa, but both JNB and JHB are not well known outside South Africa. --Bruce1ee 05:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obscure abbrev (at least from non-.sa POV).  Alai 17:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. --TheParanoidOne 06:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Caribbean-bcast-stub
Used on only 5 articles (3 of which are lists), found potentially only 2 other articles for which this template could be used. No corresponding category. Articles should use Caribbean-stub and bcast-stub instead. DHowell 02:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete small stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless populated. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - I decided to go ahead and re-stub-sort the articles in question (VSB-TV & ZNS-TV, and a few lists). So this template is no longer being used. 00:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Socialite-stub /
Used on one article. Alai 07:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * fairly strange thing for a stub category, too. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is this the politically correct term for people who are famous for no apparent reason at all? This is an excellent example of how notability differs from importance. That is not an adequate argument for keeping it. — [12:56] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]> Feb. 16, '06
 * Delete. Or redirect to nn-bio? Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * some socialites are, sadly, notable enough for articles. Technically, socialite would be ab accurate description for Paris Hilton, for instance, who is just about notable enough for an article, I suppose. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  09:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to {&#123;amateur-porn-bio-stub}} then. — Feb. 17, '06 [18:54] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]>

(no template)
To properly earn its place in BJAODN, this should presumbly be deleted. Actually, my main complaint against it is it introduced a circularity into the categories (tad vexing when trying to construct transitive db queries, I'm here to tell you), which I've just removed. Alai 07:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It will have been empty (other than the BJAODN) since the template was deleted - quite a while ago. So I've been bold, hence the redlink above :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  10:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, until very recently it contained itself, so it's not been empty for four days. I call out-of-process deletion, and rouge admin!  (Actually I think this was already nominated last year, when the template was deleted, so this looks like a simple oversight.)  Alai 05:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * whoops! Perhaps I should re-create it and populate it with some handy stub sorting-related article stubs. I'm sure I could make a few if you like... :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  09:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

UMCP-stub /
Created a while ago, but used on only 6 articles. Too specific a topic, delete. Conscious 08:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Very much agreed, delete. Alai 08:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete, promotes campus cruft. — Feb. 17, '06 [18:50] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]>
 * Strong Keep; as a stub and part of internal Wiki-cleanup processes, there is no harm caused by categorizing university stubs on a per-university basis. Addtionally, this category does not promote campus cruft but was designed to reign it in.  There were several UMCP-related articles that were dreadfully stubish and I wasn't qualifed to write on.  So I created this to encourage activism on already existing articles. -James Howard (talk/web) 15:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Redirect confectionary-stub
Unused redirect to confection-stub. The other two redirects created by the same user can be justified as redirects from an alternate name, but we generally avoid supporting misspellings. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine 00:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * it's not a misspelling, but it is an adjective, which we frown on, so delete. Personally, I'd prefer the main stub to be confectionery-stub, but I'm happy with the one we've got. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Misspelling or adjective, delete it. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, plausible misspelling, plausible guess for new sub-sorters. — Feb. 17, '06 [18:50] <freakofnurxture|[ talk ]>

traffic-stub/
from Alais list. Empty now (had one stub). template has a box, which i dont think is right for stub templates(?) and well enough coverd by road-stub anyway.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't like one-article stub types. Delete. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What is a traffic stub? Delete. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  01:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Some things we might never know. Delete for now. --Valentinian 13:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

IDW-Publishing-stub /
Used on one article. Seems to be two articles total on this publisher (hard to say, the "permanent parent" cat is a redlink). Company doesn't even seem to have published 60 titles, past or present, so probably unpopulatable, at least while the Greenland icecap's still with us. Lemmehearyasay delete. Alai 05:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unlikely to be populated. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

travel-stub (no category)
Used on one article, redlink category. (Can we speedy as malformed?) Alai 19:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 'fraid not... but the article was an org-stub anyway! Del. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:12, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Have I mentioned we need more speedy criteria? Or maybe I'm just chronically impatient...  or vexed at people voting entirely contrary to the naming conventions and size considerations...  Or both, that might be it.  Alai 01:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as per above. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hema-stub /
These are for Historical European Martial Arts (not sure why that's capitalized). However, the template name atleast is incorrect. It either ought to be HEMA-stub or preferably some less-abbreviated form. The category also ought to be non-abbreviated However, it's possible this isn't large enough and should be deleted, as it's currently used on 19 articles, and there's less than 60 in both and its other child. Mairi 06:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * comment. Personally, I'd say if anything needs changing, it's the parent category - over at CFD. Euro-martialart-stub would be a form more people could understand, I suspect, especially since all European martial arts are either historical or more well-known by names like boxing and wrestling. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  09:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC) (eckythump!)
 * Comment This would appear to be deadlocked at 0 clear votes to delete, 0 to rename, and 0 to keep as is.  Would relisting just be prolonging the agony of indecision?  Alai 20:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll go put on WP:CFD; then we can deal with this stub after that's done... maybe someone will have an opinion then. Mairi 00:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * good idea. I suspect it will be renamed there, which should simplify the discussions here a bit. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  08:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Update: Category:HEMA renamed to Category:Historical european martial arts. Conscious 19:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * given that this category and its one subcategory between them only have 58 articles, I very much doubt there are 60 stubs that this template could use. My vote would be delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What about renaming/rescoping to fencing-stub or fencingbio-stub? Most articles are about medieval fencing masters. In addition, there are around 28 fencing-bio-stubs under sportbio-stub, according to User:Sjorford/Playpen. However, I'm not sure if combining old and modern fencers will serve any good purpose. Conscious 12:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the category rename, and I won't care if the stub template is renamed; but I created the stub template to keep the HEMA templates I'm working with in one category, so I don't see why you should delete (as opposed to rename) the template. It's useful to me, if you don't need it, ignore it... dab (&#5839;) 16:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rescope, or failing which delete. Pretty small category even for a one-man wikiproject (with no wikiproject).  dab, perhaps you could use a talk-page template for these, or indeed any other means of categorisation that descopes itself from the normal criteria for stub types?  Alai 15:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Relisted. Please help reach a decision on this stub type. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Martinique-geo-stub/
BL missed this one last week. Four stubs (now in )which - together with the ones adequately categorised in makes a total of nine in all. A chronically undersized category - delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * oops yes. missed that one - delete.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, too small. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Tatarstan-geo-stub/
This one's existed over a year and still has only a dozen stubs. No need for a separate category, although we may want to start thinking about splitting some of the larger sections out of sometime. If we do, this won't be near the top of the list! Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, why Tatarstan? Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * presumably one proud Tatar editor. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  08:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

kyrg-geo-stub/
Did I spell that right? This one's more borderline, and there's a little irony here. It has about 20 stubs, still far too few for currently being needed. Six countries are covered by, with this being the only subcategory. The main category is hardly overfull (about 190 stubs). The irony is that every single one of the other countries have more geo-stubs than Kyrgysztan (and Mongolia and Kazakhstan are getting fairly close to the threshold for splitting). I'd suggest we delete the category and redirect the template to, on the likelihood that this may one day prove useful for splitting the stubs. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Support to all three deletions. If the Kyrgyzstan stub is one day re-created, it should be as Kyrgyzstan-geo-stub. --Valentinian 00:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete i think it was called that becuase some of us find English words hard enough to spell (tho im trying to improve :)  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Mexico-tv-stub /
One article. Usual moans. Alai 05:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Usual delete. Conscious 06:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate. --Vizcarra 19:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Evidence of it being populable, on the basis of existing articles? Pending which, delete.  Alai 19:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Being that Mexico is a country in itself with its own television industry... In five minutes I added about 9 from Category:Mexican telenovelas which is one type of television program. --Vizcarra 22:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * While you have certainly increased the size of this category with some stub articles, a number of the items that you added the tag to aren't really stubs. eg. Volver a empezar, 100 mexicanos dijeron, La usurpadora, Mi pequeña Soledad. --TheParanoidOne 23:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, I'm not unduly impressed with 500-word articles being tagged, to approximately 1/3-fill the category. OTOH, as an SFD result, it somewhat beats "let's keep it regardless".  Alai 04:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Despite an effort to populate it, it still doesn't seem to be of a viable size. --TheParanoidOne 06:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Summary Category renamed to "Mexico television stubs" as part of a rescope. --TheParanoidOne 22:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Seaport-stub/
An attempt (unproposed) to split geo-stubs by type - which has been rejected on other stub types in the past, and a fairly useless one, too. The category contained three "stubs" - one was far too big tio be considered such, one was about a military operation and the third was a perfectly acceptable Texas-geo-stub (which is how it is now marked). Would not be useful for either stub-sorting or editorsa looking for articles to improve. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete not a good way to split this.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  18:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * keep I'm about to start four new sea port articles. I'll need to utilize this stub unless someone can redirect me to another type of stub. Georgia Ports Authority needs this. --BWD(talk) 21:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as "scope is too limited", lacking "at least 50 appropriate stubs in existence", to quote the top of this very page.  Tag with appropriate -geo-stubs- (or corp or org, etc, for related activity), split them when they reach a reasonable size.  Alai 16:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Univision-stub /
While the parent, needs to be split, doing it two articles at a time is not a plan. Excessively narrow, delete. Alai 05:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can see some other networks being okay for stub categories (such as ABC and CBS which are not finished), but this might not reach threshold right now. Crystallina 05:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

WesternAustralia-stub /
Two articles, no vast size or obvious undersorting of parent. Alai 05:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * weak delete - might be useful to the Perth WikiProject, but if Australia-stub is small (which, surprises me a little), then it doesn't seem necessary. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Depends what you mean by "small": it's <450 stubs, due to a fair number of existing (and mostly more sensible) subcats, so nowhere near needing urgent further splitting.  Alai 15:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

SouthPark-stub /
Three articles. Unreasonably narrow category. Alai 05:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This one's been around for a while - I can remember the template being renamed from Sp-stub last year. Amazed it's only gained three stubs in all that time - that gives some indication of the likelihood of it reaching threshold any time soon - delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hungary-writer-stub /
Been around for two months, and only three articles. Seems too narrow. Alai 15:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub types. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Gov-agency-stub/
Talk about cutting across the hierarchy! This one contains five stubs - including a US-politician-stub, a US-gov-stub, a local organisation from Tacoma, a term used in espionage, and a Korean police force. Quite a bizarre mixture for quite a bizarre idea for a stub type. It is possible that some countries could use individual government agency stubs, but a cross-border haphazard agglomeration like this is going to be useful to no-one. Delete! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

FamilyGuy-stub
Delete. Not used and I don't see any particular potential either. Created in November 12 2005 so it's not just recently created pending populating either. Feeds into the exsisting Category:Television stubs so no asosiated cat. --Sherool (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems too narrow. Speedy delete as "empty of articles" (as if would be, if it even had a category).  Alai 04:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - Unused stub with no potential. -- light darkness (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

India-school-stub /
Rename the category with a lower-case 's'. Per discussion at /Discoveries, it's a perfectly good stub, already populated, the only issue is the capitalization. -GTBacchus(talk) 06:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite this being a "specific type of school" (cough-cough), I'll have to vote to rename this. Alai 07:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Ive listed this for renaming to at cfd, since its not really aything to do with stubs. please add your vote one way of the other there (or tell me i was wrong and it should have been here :)  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  12:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Macedonian-bio-stub
While it's doubtful whether we even need a separate category for the 19 Macedonian biography stubs, we definitely don't need this badly named duplicate of Macedonia-bio-stub. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, this is the original version. The other one is pretty new. However, this version is still prime delete material. ---Valentinian 20:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Film-genre-stub /
Rename the category to a lower-case 'g'. This was already mentioned when it was listed on /discoveries and could probably get speedied if that was ever done with stub categories. Also, the category is only used in 45 articles so someone might want to delete it. However, that's up from the 20 that it was on when at /discoveries, so it seems that there's potential for growth. (If someone wants to delete, remember to tag the stub template with sfd-t).- Bobet 13:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. Currently there is Category:Film Genre stubs and Category:Film genre stub categories, which is confusing. I vote we rename this one per Bobet and delete Category:Film genre stub categories. Cheers, Her Pegship 16:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment, Category:Film genre stub categories is currently listed for deletion at WP:CFD, since it's not exactly a stub category, but a way of trying to (in my opinion) needlessly subcategorize stub categories. - Bobet 17:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * weve also got a . I wondered what was going on. is very big tho, so something probably needs doing to it.  BL Lacertae  -  kiss the lizard  21:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * um, no we haven't. Perhaps you mean, which worried me a little when I first saw it. I still don't really understand its purpose. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  09:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Does seem a little mysterious; I assumed someone had some brilliant reason for this, not sure it's worrying as such.  Obviously we need to add Template_category: (and doubtless also Category_template...) to Jamesday's suggested new namespaces.  Alai 00:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Update Category:Film genre stub categories has been deleted. Can we now agree to drop the capital on Category:Film Genre stubs and get on with our lives? Thanks Her Pegship 17:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I renamed it to Category:Film genre stubs and changed the stub template to use it. Leaving this discussion up for the moment in case someone wants to mess with the other categories mentioned during the discussion :). - Bobet 01:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Etiophia-Geo-Stub / no categories; nothing links to it
Delete. Possibly a prank; only contains a link to a non-existent image. Did not seem to meet the definition of patent nonsense, else I'd have speedied it. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedied as unused, nonsensical, misspelled, and malformed. Also against the naming conventions, though that doesn't bother anyone much these days...  Alai 07:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

metro-stub /
Per CFD nomination here, rename category to and the template to... RapidTransit-stub? I don't like that, but will throw it out for consideration. It should be noted that the text itself was changed long ago. --CComMack 22:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename Cat, Keep Template unless someone is struck by brilliance. --CComMack 22:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Defer to the permies on category name, but keep metro-stub as a redirect (at least). Of course, tube-stub has a certain ring to it...  Alai 04:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with renaming the category. The template metro-stub should stay (as either main or redirect), and I'm not sure it needs renaming. Conscious 07:00, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. sfr-t wasn't added to the template. I have added it. --TheParanoidOne 21:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

&rarr;
Rename to concord with numerous permanents using this terminology, and the couple of other stub types. (It's also somewhat small, but I wouldn't object to giving it a while to grow before upmerging to the (also very new) people-parent: especially as the other parent is oversized.) Alai 18:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Rename. --Valentinian (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan-stub /
never proposed or debated. unneccessary since its already covered by other stubs which are too small to need splitting. deals with geo stubs, bio stubs, and other stubs all lumped together. very POV use (by only one editor) which is likely to cause all sorts of problems. btw this was origionaly at tfd - ive moved the debate so far here. delete.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * from tfd:


 * 1) Template was created by who has only 80 edits.
 * 2) Kurdistan is a highly contraversial proposed nation with undefined bounries.
 * 3) *It is most certainly an attack magnet (something we do not want in stubs).
 * 4) *The usage of the kurdish flag also implies as if kurdistan is a country which is not the case.
 * 5) *I personaly do not mind a kurdish-stub (assuming its w/o the flag)
 * 6) The actual usage of the template is restricted to User:Muhamed whoes entier contribution is tagging articles with Category:Kurdistan, personal attacks and creation of copyvio stubs... User does not know english...
 * Cool CatTalk 21:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also if you check "what links here" you will see very few articles are listed other generic stubs would be more approporate. There just arent enough articles to promote this kind of a stub.


 * Keep de jure sovereignty has never been a reason to keep or delete a stub. Kurdistan exists in relatively well defined borders within Iraq. They fly their own flag and have their own institutions. They have their own political parties. In fact, the governing body of Kurdistan within Iraq is called the Kurdistan Regional Government. It's notable enough to warrant its own stub, even if one stubborn user was using it. --BWD(talk) 22:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It is redundent tho, practicaly useless, ones nationalist feelings created it. It was not created because we have too many articles related to kurds. anything related to kurds is tagged by this wich is useless. -- Cool CatTalk 22:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of why it was created (I don't know why), there exists a Kurdistan. Some important stubs belong to that template. You could reclassify it to anything you want, but it would still be relevant to classify it under the Kurdistan stub. If something "useless" was tagged with this stub, then just remove the stub from the article. Deleting this is counter-productive. --BWD(talk) 23:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, to go down your list: 1) Many stubs are "attack magnets." The relevant standard to use is whether or not there is a factual basis for the stub. 2) A Kurdish flag exists because 6 provinces in Iraq are designated as the Kurdistan Regional Government. The flag that you see is their official flag. So your insistence to remove the flag is absurd. The flag is part of an an official political subdivision of Iraq. You might as well remove the Georia flag from the Georgian stub. It's a political subdivision of America. --BWD(talk) 23:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That isn't a valid analogy. it would be a valid analogy if the Georgian flag was banned in the United States, Georgia was a US state but also an unofficial territory which straddled the US/Mexican border which claimed further areas in the US, had no definitive borders in either country, and was pushing for independence and had laid claim to the territory of those two countries, despite efforts to stop this happening by the officially recognised governments of Mexico and the US. When stubs are subdivided within a country, we use official subnational borders. The article on Kurdistan says it all - "The exact borders of Kurdistan are hard to define." As such, it has no place as a separate stub type, especially since those legitimate stub types which it cts across (Turkey-stub, Iran-stub, Iraq-stub, and Syria-stub and their subtypes) are not overpopulated. As for "there are other attack-magnet stubs (presumably stub types - if there are, bring them here. WP:WSS goes out oif its way to make sure that there are no stub types which are open to attack from POV merchants, simply because any changes to templates cause a lot of work to the servers. That is one of the reasons why new stub types should be debated prior to creation - to make sure that doesn't happen. This one wasn't. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The flag of the Kurdistan Regional Government is not currently banned; it was under Saddam. Further, the Kurdistan Regional Government has formed borders as per the processes outlined in the Iraq Constitution. It constitutes 6 provinces within Iraq. I suggest you read Kurdistan Regional Government for more information about it. The Iraqi Constitution grants 'groups' the right to form 'regions' within Iraq, and the Kurds and done just that. So using this stub, with this flag, is perfectly within Wikipedia policy for subnational governments.
 * The Kurdistan article is talking about some pan-Kurdish 'nation'. I'm referring specifically to an established government within Iraq called Kurdistan, short for Kurdistan Regional Government. That seems to be the fundamental misunderstanding here.
 * Further, this debate seems to have been co-opted by nationalist ideologues, specifically on IRC. I'm about as NPOV as one can get. I'm neither Turkish nor Kurdish. I've visited neither one of them. Ethnically, I'm neither. And I've never been interested in them until this deletion request. But the fact is, Kurdistan exists as a sub-national government within Iraq. There is nothing POV about that, with the exception that some people in bordering countries have a fundamental problem with that specific ethnic group forming any type of government. That in itself is POV, not this stub. I'm not going to let this stub get bulldozed just because there is controversy over a pan-Kurdish government. That would be damaging to Wikipedia. --BWD(talk) 14:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * well that's all well and good - but has absolutely no bearing on this stub type. If this was, then you';d have a point. But it isn't - as can clearly be shown by the number of stubs relating to Iran and Turkey in the category. If it was to be kept, then it should be made clear that it is only for part of Iraq - but that isn't the common definition of Kurdistan, which extends well beyond the area which the Iraqi Government has set up. Similarly the flag, which is the official flag of the KRG, is also the unofficial flag of Kurds in many other places. As to whether such a stub type is even needed, given that there are fewer than 120 stubs in , the answer is a clear no. As to whether you are an NPOV editor, that is entirely irrelevant. The question is "are the editors who use this template all going to be NPOV" - and the answer again is no. In fact, the main user of this template seems to have a fairly clear POV agenda. It is vitally important that stub templates cannot be hijacked by POV-pushers and be the target of edit wars, since edits to templates cause fairly sizeable server problems. This isn't a case of bulldozing a stub type becuase there is controversy over the government. It's a case of removing an unnecessary stub type that is likely to cause edit-wars, has little use for editors, is already well covered by other stub types, is significantly underutilised, and is too vague in its definitions. I say again - this should be deleted. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Complete agreement. -- Cool CatTalk 16:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong delete This sub-cat is un-necssary and is being used by Kurd nationalists for political reasons --Kash 11:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete. "Kurdistan" is NOT a country, I don't see a need for this as it's being used by Kurdish nationalists to promote their political agenda. --ManiF 11:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong KEEP. Kurdistan is an Autonomous region and needs it's own stub. Although Kurds are proud to call themselves Iraqi, and Iraq has been the cradle of civilization for tens thousand years but this template is for an Autonomous and legal part of this historical country.  D iyako Talk + 16:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Completely irrelevant. Stub categories are an aid to editors, and therefore are only created when there is a genuine need for them. There are entire countries which do not have separate stubs, owing to the lack of significant numbers of articles for them. As I said above, there are not so many Iraq stubs that they need to be split into separate categories for Iraq's regions. Any editor looking for artilcles in Iraqi Kurdistan could easily find them by looking through . Your argumants make perfect sense for having a, but not for a . Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * My suggestion is to use it for all of Kurdistan related aricles. There are many Kurdistan related stubs.  D iyako Talk + 04:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In which case it most definitely should not be used. Firstly that would cut across several accepted countries, all of which have their own stubs, and secondly it goes against the NPOV nature of Wikipedia to use it in that way. Stub splits - other than history-related ones - always use current internationally accepted political boundaries. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete. Encyclopedia Britannica and other authoritative sources [do not] recognize the entity as a country.  I have extensively researched this, and all scholars agree.Zmmz 23:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. The stub uses the Kurdistan Flag flown by the Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraqi Kurdistan. It is also used by Kurds in other parts of the Middle East.Heja Helweda 04:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Texan flag is used by many Texans too, but that doesn't mean that there should be a Texan stub on wikipedia with a Texan flag on it. Kurdistan stub, and especially the "Kurdistan Flag", does not correspond with NPOV on Wikipedia. --ManiF 10:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete SAME REASON AS EVERYBODY ELSE!! --( Aytakin ) | Talk 01:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete.--Zereshk 10:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Jhangochi-Culture-stub
what is this and is it speedyable as nonsense? it isnt anything that should be called a stub template!  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  22:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge history to Jhangochi, then it's speediable. Looks like a namespace error, and confusion between "stub type" and "stub article".  Alai 22:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

India-website-stub / India website stubs
Created on December 22nd 2005 and used on only 2 articles. Website stubs is at ~650 stubs so probably needs splitting. This doesn't seem the way to go though. --TheParanoidOne 22:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * by type of website would make more sense i think. by place seems silly for websites. delete  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  00:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Pokesectstub /
Seemingly kept from previous nom (or perhaps, no consensus, and/or no clarity...), but cat is still tagged as a SFD. Similar "sorted section stub" cases have indicated a firmer feeling more recently to delete, or to rename to something outwith the stub hierarchy and naming pattern. Alai 04:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Added to /Discoveries page in August 2005. Not deleted via a previous SFD in September 2005, though apparently from a No Concensus rather than an overall Keep. I haven't found the proposal mentioned by Grutness in the previous SFD. --TheParanoidOne 11:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * its at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting. this probably needs to be deferred until the CFD on is sorted through anyway. if my suggestion there is accepted then this should be renamed as well to make it clear its nothing to do with stubs.  BL Lacertae  -  kiss the lizard  00:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The CFD has now gone through and the category has been renamed. --TheParanoidOne 22:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * then rename this to mattch... something like or whatever. and rename the template to something like pokexpand. that will keep the pokemon project happy and get it out of the stubs.  BL Lacertae  -  kiss the lizard  22:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking as a Poképroject member, I'd be good with that. I was under the impression the cat had been deleted anyway; I've been using Whatlinkshere ever since the old SFD. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename category and template as per BL Lacertae. --TheParanoidOne 12:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename Pokeproject is ok with it(a member) than go ahead and do the project's wishes.Eagle (talk) (desk) 04:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

UPN-stub / UPN stubs
Created in January 2006 and used on only 1 article. --TheParanoidOne 21:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Comp-phylo-stub / Computational phylogenetics stubs
Created on 7th Feb. Used on 5 articles at the moment. Seems far too narrow a scope. Category:Biology stubs is at just over 400 stubs so wouldn't be overburdened by pushing these into it. In an amusing bit of self reference, the Computational phylogenetics article is itself a stub and marked as a Comp-phylo-stub. --TheParanoidOne 21:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. Computational phylogenetics is an interdisciplinary program that includes biology, computer science and mathematics, so merging into Category:Biology stubs would move math and CS articles into a biology category. Could consider renaming it Category:Phylogenetics stubs, but again, that would involve moving math and CS articles firmly within the realm of biology. --Wzhao553 22:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Cross-discipline areas are not a problem. A stub can have more than one stub type applied to it. Biology was just one example. --TheParanoidOne 22:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I still think it's notable enough to be kept, and I have plenty of articles in mind that need to be at least in stub form. But I'm obviously also biased toward my own field. --Wzhao553 22:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Rescope to or thereabouts, if that's at least marginally viable (renaming and upmerging accordingly).  Alai 22:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I like that idea better. --Wzhao553 22:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Are there any stubs to populate that? Would it be enough to make it viable? --TheParanoidOne 19:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't have any sort of count of the stubs, but the corresponding permanent category (and hierarchy) is about an order of magnitude larger than that of the current scope (getting on for 200 articles), so it's at least more plausible. Alai 20:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * In that case I'd be up for a rescope as per your suggestion. --TheParanoidOne 23:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Summary: Rescoped to bioinformatics-stub and Category:Bioinformatics stubs. --TheParanoidOne 14:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

tox-stub / Toxicology stubs
Created on December 10th 2005 and used on only 3 articles. Parent stub category Medicine stubs is at 12 pages so it's possible that this one might be worthwhile. My suggestion is delete unless populated by the requisite stub category threshold. --TheParanoidOne 22:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * the template needs a better name tho.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  00:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep a useful type, just needs to be populated --<b style="color:limegreen;">larsinio</b> ( poke )( prod ) 14:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But after four months, at has three articles. If it isn't populated, then ipso facto it wasn't very useful.  'Delete unless than can be shown to be populable, or rescopable to be populable.  Alai 23:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Orphaned. Conscious 08:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Telemundo-stub / Telemundo stubs
Created on January 9th 2006 and used on only 2 articles. --TheParanoidOne 22:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep It's just a matter of populating it. I stubbed some Telemundo stations to it and there are still a few more to go. Kimmykun 01:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep template to facilitate on-going population, delete category for the time being as still very under-sized; recreate at such time as it has the numbers.  Alai 02:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete We already have US BCast...it's repetitive. And besides, KDRX-CA is NOT a Telemundo stub. -Tracker | Your AZ Broadcast Leader on Wikipedia (Posted @ 21:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC))
 * Keep the template, I don't see how it is any different than, say, NBC-stub. I'm neutral on the category, though.  -- WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  19:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For one thing, the category is significantly smaller (though both are under-sized, come to that). When you bear in mind several of the "stubs" are actually the length of articles such as KXTX-TV, this starts to look very narrow in scope.  Alai 23:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The category can be deleted now. Conscious 08:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Gnosticism-related stubs
No associated template. Created in April 2005 by an anon. Used on three stubs. --TheParanoidOne 21:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete unless there are enough stubs to do this one properly.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Cold-War-stub /
Used on three articles; scope is not defined at all, seems to be used on military history articles, but with a tag this open-ended, could end up over any number of politics articles, and what-not, which I double is desirable. Alai 05:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * cuts through too many existing categories, and exactly what the "cold war" covers is perhaps a little too vague. delete unless properly and rigorously defined. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (with the same reservation as Grutness). --Valentinian (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

CSA-hist-stub /
Used on seven articles, all political biographies. Large, if not total, overlap with and existing politicos categories. Alai 05:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The country lasted what...five years? Major overlap with the civil war stubs and individual state politicians stubs, as Alai points out. Unnecessary - delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --Valentinian (talk) 00:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Rockabilly-stub / Rockabilly stubs
Created in December 2005. Used on four stubs, all of which should have some form of musician-stub applied. --TheParanoidOne 21:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * delete.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Spec-fict-novel-stub / Speculative fiction novel stubs
Both created on 26th January and only used on 4 stubs. The parent stub category Novel stubs is at ~550 stubs and should probably be split in a better way than this. --TheParanoidOne 22:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * ...and what's more, "speculative fiction" is simply a name used for science fiction by people who don't want to admit liking science fiction. This was never properly proposed (see BL's comments on the other split further down this page), and is a very poor way of doing this split. 550 stubs isn't really enough to be urgently in need of a split anyway. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * ... Or in at least one notorious case, to people not wanting to admit to writing science fiction. Alai 19:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's quite a few more of these on my list...  If you can see past all the undersized school stub cats, that is.  (I'm holding off on updating until we make some progress on those -- or else, resign ourselves to giving up for the time being.)  Alai 00:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Enough has been said. Delete. --Valentinian (talk) 00:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - And the better way to split Novel stubs is, at least we at wikipedia:WikiProject Novels are attempting to do some work on this. This is work in progress and about to get some more attention. Is is also distracting to keep having to defend these stubs. Speculative fiction is more than just Science Fiction. It is also an over riding category that encompases SF, Fantasy and Alternative History. I use this term AND I like SF, and widely admit it. By the way the source for CAtegory sortting is not going to be just Novel-stubs but also Book stubs as that is substantially unsorted as well. (Just to be upfront - I was the stub creator. And asked for help with this process on the proposal page). :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  07:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh by the way removing the stub from an article before the count might be seen as "not cricket". Admittedly not affecting the low count at this point greatly.:: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  07:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to have to keep defending them, propose them in the correct place, please. Then you'll get reasoned feedback about names (which should be the common ones), scope (which should be clearly defined), and numerical viability (which should be 60 or upwards, and not inordinately large), in advance -- and probably a deal of help in doing the actual sorting.  (Imagine, the stub sorting project asking to be kept in the loop on sorting stubs -- oh, the humanity!)  Alai 19:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. Based on the main category, speculative fiction is either alternate history, fantasy, horror or science fiction. Of those, only horror doesn't  have a specific book stub; but there's horror-stub with only 50 articles (and alternate-hist-novel-stub is rather small too), so I can't see this stub type getting much use. Mairi 18:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * delete per mairi and others.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment As a (future) bot operator for WP:NOVEL, I can't see a way for a bot to fill this up, the regex statements to do so seem impossible. If this were to be filled, it will take human edits to do so.Eagle (talk) (desk) 17:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Speculative fiction is a definite major category of fiction, refering to novels about things that MAY or MAY HAVE happen(ed), as opposed to High fantasy or nonsensical or "goofy" fantasy novels; in other words they are "what if" novels.  novels in this category would include 1984, A Clockwork Orange, Frankenstein, etc.  some of these novels may be pretty "out there", and others may be much more realistic.  I think the major problem here is that people are labeling them otherwise. Gizzakk 01:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Although it wouldn't include those, as none of those are stubs. And it remains the case that Category:Speculative fiction novels contains exactly no articles, which makes it hard to know that there are many suitable stub articles... Mairi 08:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete on size, and on poorly defined scope. Contrary to the above assertions, the "catch-all" usage is not the general meaning of this term, and is specifically not how its originators used it.  See the main article in the term.  And even if it were, it just adds more hierarchy, not more useful sorting capability.  (I'd question the point of the permanent category on the same grounds, but that's another day's work.)  Alai 16:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)