Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Deleted/January 2006

Rename fest-stub to festival-stub
I really don't see any reason here for an abbreviation and at the very least festival-stub should be a redirect. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename, old legacy stuff. Circeus 16:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * How so? --TheParanoidOne 19:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The name precedes WSS, we just never bothered to change it (like several that have been/are getting renamed recently), even though it's not harmful or anything per se. Circeus 03:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. The fact that you liked to legacy code made me think it was some technical reason. I understand what you mean now though. --TheParanoidOne 11:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. Conscious 19:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and delete subsequent redirect. --TheParanoidOne 11:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. I'd have to agree. It is kind of silly that they felt the need to save four letters' space while there are plenty of stubs with longer - and unabbreviated - titles. --daltonls 04:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Idaho-stub//; Maine-stub//; Virginia-stub
Not satisfied with creating 12 geo-stub categories for US states (all of which were only previously not cvreated due to the tiny number of stubs they would have), User:Geoset has now started on generic state-stubs with Idaho-stub and Maine-stub. Both have badly formed categories, neither is used, there are no accompanying WikiProjects, and there's no evidence that either would get anywhere near 60 stubs. Grutness...wha?  00:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can we deal similarly with Virginia-stub? Conscious 11:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * and delaware-stub, too? delete BL   kiss the lizard  23:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, delaware-stub has 48 stubs. Why delete? Conscious 08:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * oops youre right. i was thinking of delaware-geo-stub which has five. leave that then but delete maine idaho and virginia BL   kiss the lizard  08:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Circeus 16:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: I officially added Virginia-stub to this nomination at 09:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC). Conscious
 * I'd be fine with keeping Maine-stub iff it was specified that it was for non-biographical articles. There are 56 articles that are currently marked as stubs and in Category:Maine or its subcategories that would be appropriate for Maine-stub; there are probably others that aren't categorized or marked as stubs. --Mairi 07:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep on Maine-stub if it's populated. I guess we're slowly moving to having stub categories for all US states... Conscious 15:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please also delete delaware-politician-stub. I use delaware-stub, and it is plenty. Now editors are removing the delaware-stub and replacing it with delaware-politician-stub. My goodness. stilltim 21:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Summary: "Idaho-stub", "Idaho stubs" and "Virginia-stub" delete. "Maine-stub" and "Main stubs" populated and kept. --TheParanoidOne 16:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

cfl-stub / (rename)
Nicely populated (67 stubs). I suggest rescoping it to cover all Canadian football topics and renaming to Canadianfootball-stub (or CaFootball-stub) and as per Grutness's proposal on the Discoveries page, and deleting cfl-stub after that (see CFL). Conscious 11:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename as per nom to Canadianfootball-stub and (and delete the current name, especially since it's lowercase). --Mairi 04:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose move - Although Canadian football isn't as fleshed out as its American cousin, there are many notable Canadian footballers who only have CIS or CJFL experience. However, the creation of a Canadian football stub template is appropriate as many such articles are (incorrectly) given the American football stub template. kelvSYC 03:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Putting aside the fact that the discussion period for this items is over, what exactly are you opposing? Your comments don't seem to correlate with the other comments above. --TheParanoidOne 13:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Western Sahara stub/
New wikiproject, new problem. very badly named stub never likley to get to 65 stubs. catagory is well formed (now) but template needs at least a rename if not getting rid of. BL  kiss the lizard  00:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I admit that I didn't follow the procedure for properly creating this one, and I'm grateful for BL for fixing my errors. That having been said, I've added the stub type to 50 articles that could use it, so the argument that it is not likely to get to 65 is not necessarily true. Please assist me in renaming it, or doing what I need to conform to the standards, and accept my apologies for creating this headache in the first place. Justin (koavf) 01:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep it. Might need renaming. - FrancisTyers 01:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If it's got 50 stubs and a wikiproject, then there's no reason not to keep it - but it definitely needs a rename to WesternSahara-stub Grutness...wha?  04:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename as per Grutness. -Mairi 04:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and let it fight WP:BIAS. Conscious 09:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per Grutness. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename, if only to avoid the POV mess that sorting these would be. Circeus 23:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Textiles-stub / (rename)
To textile-stub and. Also, any ideas what stub category should be its parent? Conscious 09:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * souds like a reasonable rename. As to parentage, there was a proposal recently for, there's also , or maybe even . All of them are possible. Grutness...wha?  22:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename both as proposed. I'd say it should use (perhaps that should be singular too) and, since  has  and  as parents. --Mairi 03:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd forgotten Materials stubs - yes that's a good choice as parent. Grutness...wha?  04:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

*Rename ya it is reasonable. and i think the parent should be Taqi Haider...Talk   (voting on this item already closed)
 * Rename per nom, and give it parents as per Grutness. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Xenostub
For xenogears or xenosaga; lacks a category and used twice. However, there are less than 35 articles between Category:Xenosaga and Category:Xenogears, so it's unlikely to get enough use. Delete. Otherwise, it needs renaming as the current name is quite ambiguous. --Mairi 23:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete; there isn't even a need for this one anymore. I shouldn't have even created it. Deckiller 23:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Delete vote from creator (and only contributor) = speedy? --TheParanoidOne 23:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Caerwine Caerwhine 01:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete per nom Kerowyn 09:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. *\o/* Dustimagic *\o/* 19:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * *Delete. Alai 02:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Real estate-stub
Unnecessary, unused redirect to Realestate-stub (which probably needs renaming to RealEstate-stub, btw). Real estate-stub is too ambiguous, as it could just as well be about non-fictional estates. Unlikely perhaps, but it can't be excluded, and we need to prevent such confusions. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 21:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely don't need a rename to RealEstate-stub as the naming guidelines call for camel casing only when we have proper nouns involved which real estate is not. As for the redirect, my usual weak delete for redirects contrary to the naming guidelines. Caerwine Caerwhine  00:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Nothing wrong with this redirect. Ashibaka tock 01:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and do not rename. Stub types in general do not contain spaces. Stifle 10:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 15:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete BL   kiss the lizard  22:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Pope-stub
Currently used on 16 articles, has a redlink category. However, antipope lists only 56 antipopes, including 20th/21st century ones; of which 4 do not have articles and some are not stubs. So it is extremely unlikely that this would reach 60 stubs. Delete. Even if kept, it ought to be renamed to antipope-stub. --Mairi 04:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. If necessary we can always re-scope pope-stub to say that it can be used for popes as well. Failing that, there's always christianity-bio-stub, or whatever it's called. Grutness...wha?  04:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rescoping pope-stub might be desirable, as there's a few antipope articles that're already tagged with pope-stub. --Mairi 04:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, but a definite support in favor of expanding the scope of . Caerwine Caerwhine 01:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep/Rename to antipope-stub. The stub is necessary. We can't use the pope stub as that would we POV. The only thing they are on WP as is as antipopes so we need to have the stub until all the articles are so large that they are no longer stubs. No other stub available is adequate. Deleting it would be patiently absurd and amateurish. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  20:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename/Keep I agree with Jtdirl. We cannot replace this with the "pope stub" as it'd be inaccurate and POV. I don't know about the "christianity-bio-stub". Str1977 21:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure pope-stub is too pov for these people. It could very well be appropriate, because these people have all claimed to hold legitimate papacies, and it's this claim that links all these people together. But if pope-stub is a no-goer, then I propose upmerging these articles to christianity-bio-stub. I don't think there are enough articles for antipope-stub. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 21:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * upmerge either into pope-stub or christianity-bio-stub. how does anyone expect to get 60 stubs for less than 60 antipopes? BL   kiss the lizard  22:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know where you got this idea that there are sixty in total over two thousand years. There were 10 alone in the 1980s-2000s!!! FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  03:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The number comes from the article antipope, which lists 42 before 1449, states that there were none until the sedevacantist antipopes of the 20th/21st century and lists 14 of those. --Mairi 04:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that the sedevacantists are a special case. They are not really antipopes in the way those before 1449 were, as they have only minute following (from the get go, not just in the end) and papal elections are much more regulated than they once was. However, I don't think we should make that minimum of 60 a dogma. Str1977 11:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Some antipopes are not notable. Some were elected by astonishingly small and un credentialed conclaves. Dominick (TALK) 23:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No vote comment putting thesse in the pope-stub cat seems to me the best idea. If it is deemed POV to these in 'pope' then it would also be POV to put them in 'anti-pope'. These people considered themselves to be popes - as did their followers (indeed they considered their 'orthadox' rivals to be the anti-pope_, it is from the POV of the later church that they become official anti-popes. It's victor's history. --Doc ask? 03:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * History books call them antipopes, not popes. We cannot call them pope without going against history references and our own NPOV sources. And yes, history is written by the winners. It always has been and always will. But that is irrelevant. Our role is passive reportage of others' conclusions (ie NPOV), not reaching our own opinions (POV). Using the pope stub is out. It would be a blatent breach of NPOV because it would be overruling standard textbooks which state they were not popes.  FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  03:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * True there are some antipopes where one couldn't say from the beginning who the rightful pope was (those resulting from dual elections), but these were few. Also, of course any anti-pope considered himself to be pope, as that's part of the definition, but that doesn't make them pope. It is not POV to relate historiography's findings - it is however POV to deviate from history books (inaccurate), especially since it is based on a post-modern "everything is relative" POV. Str1977 11:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename (The spelling "anti-pope" is, of course, wrong.) The Encyclopaedia Britannica (1998 CD ROM edition) gives a tentative list of (38) antipopes who arose between the years 217 and 1439, and defines "antipope" as "in the Roman Catholic church, one who opposes the legitimately elected bishop of Rome, endeavours to secure the papal throne, and to some degree succeeds materially in the attempt." This is surely undeniable authority for the existence of a class denominated as "antipopes". It also indicates, however, that the term "antipope" cannot seriously be applied to people such as Pius XIII. The term "Pope", too, cannot be seriously applied to Pius XIII and his like, since it fits them no more - rather, indeed, less - than the term "King of England" fits Perkin Warbeck and his like. Lima 13:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I have misunderstood what is meant by stub types. Lima 16:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: If it needs to be renamed fine, but I think this is on of my "important" additions. I do not want to merge it with the Pope stub, for these people often opposed the Pope! They hardly belong in the same category for factual reasons. Chooserr 19:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)-+
 * The problem is that there probably are not enough articles about antipopes. I believe that because there have been so few antipopes throughout history, this stub category is not likely to grow beyond about 40 articles, which is at least 20 articles short of the threshold. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 19:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename I agree with Fear ÉIREANN (Jtdirl). AnnH (talk) 12:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete/upmerge. Pile-on keep votes by non-stub-sorters, who are unaware of/don't care about the thresholds for stub type creation and viability, are "patently" why we need stronger policies in this area.  Alai 17:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rescope pope-stub and merge Anti-Pope-stub there. Conscious 17:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Summary: Merged with Category:Pope stubs and template deleted. --TheParanoidOne 23:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

U.S. region geo stubs
The following geo stubs and categories were created as an intermediary step when splitting the mammoth US-geo-stub category. Now that all states have their own stub and category, these four regional stub categories are no longer needed.


 * US-midwest-geo-stub / Category:Midwestern US geography stubs
 * Category:Northeastern US geography stubs
 * US-south-geo-stub / Category:Southern US geography stubs
 * US-west-geo-stub / Category:Western US geography stubs

Any existing stub articles in these categories can go up into Category:United States geography stubs. If any individual state's stub category gets deleted in the future, those articles, too, can revert back to Category:United States geography stubs.

Delete all. &mdash; Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC) Templates only delete, no consensus on categories. Alai 15:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * (assuming a deletion) Redirect the templates to US-geo-stub, as should be done by default. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 21:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Northeastern US geography stubs was on SFD with its associated template just over a week ago and it was kept, so I question its nomination so quickly after that decision. Anyway, the decision made during that discussion was to delete the template and keep the category as a container for the individual state stub types. It is listed at the top of WP:WSS/ST as one of the templateless categories. This decision makes sense to me, so I say delete the templates and keep the categories as containers as per the previous discussion. --TheParanoidOne 22:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * keep the catagories delete the templates as per TPO BL   kiss the lizard  22:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete All The reason for keeping the  before was so as to avoid having some states feeding into  directly and others via the regional categories.  Now that every state and the District have their own geo stubs, I see no reason for the middlemen categories to still exist, since there is no universally agreed upon system of placing the states into regions. Caerwine Caerwhine  01:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all as per Caerwine. Conscious 07:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * might as well delete all of these now, since they just add another layer and there's nothing here which couldn't be either in individual state stub cats or in the main US one. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all as per above. *\o/* Dustimagic *\o/* 19:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Excessive stub-unsorting proposition;  these have admittedly small, but sensibly categorised contents.  Review if they stay tiny longer-term.  In the alternative, redirect template to parent.  Alai 02:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep categories, delete templates -- The categories could be useful for finding articles about different regions but the stubs are just redundant. -- gxti 04:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kenya-related stubs &rarr; Category:Kenya stubs
Rename this as per the previous renames to remove '-related' from the category titles. Strangely enough, this actually was created with sfd-c tag already on it but as far as I can tell it has never been listed anywhere. --TheParanoidOne 23:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * wierd. needs changing. rename it. BL   kiss the lizard  05:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Someone probably cut and pasted the category description from an existing category while creating this one to include the tag. - Bobet 00:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. Conscious 08:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per above.--HereToHelp (talk) 12:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Island-stub
Created today, lacks a category. Geographical locations are divided by country, not type, as specifically mentioned in WP:STUB. Delete. --Mairi 07:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  11:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC) (making a special return visit for this vote :)
 * Keep, geo-stubs should be double-stubbed with island, lake, mountain etc. Kappa 22:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * very strong delete. no editor is likely to find it useful to start with. double stubbing often loses stubs in other catagories like by location (which editors would be most likely to use). its listed as a definite not wanted type at wp:stub. and mountain stub and river stub were both deleted for not being wanted so why would island stub be wanted? whats more its completely useless the way its written. it almost looks like one of the maori rider ones. BL  kiss the lizard  22:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems very useful to me, an island has a lot of characteristics not shared by a town, or a district, or a river. Double-stubbing wouldn't lose any other categories because geo-stubs are generally the narrowest geographical category available and there isn't any other way to sort islands I can think of. Kappa 22:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * there isnt a need to. editors dont usually know about one type of place worldwide. they know about a particular area. so whay editors are going to be helped with a stub for a type of place? BL   kiss the lizard  22:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Making an article about an island, an mountain or a river is a different thing from making an article about a town. Different sources of information are useful, and it will appeal to different people.Kappa 13:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * AAARGGH! follow up - user:Jingofetts who made this, IS User:Maoririder! he looks like he was banned from Wiki under his old name and has now come back with a new name! BL   kiss the lizard  22:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * whoa maoririder wasnt banned sorry. looks like he just stopped using one account and made a new one becuase he forgot his password (why didnt he just change it?). BL   kiss the lizard  23:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there an RfArb injunction against him? IIRC, he was banned until February. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He was, but it looks like he managed to get it shortened to a one-week block. On about December 27th he came back with a different username (Jingofetts), and he's already had two 24 hour blocks since then. But he wasn't blocked when he made either this template of the family film one above. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom per WP:STUB. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 22:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Speedy delete as G5. 15:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)  Vote withdrawn for now. 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Vote: delete per nom per WP:STUB. 11:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as per G5. *\o/* Dustimagic *\o/* 19:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, useful division of stubs (for editors, at least). Christopher Parham (talk) 22:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <sup style="color:green;">Blank <sup style="color:#F88017;">Verse 10:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:STUB. Conscious 12:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian 01:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, cross-category. Alai 02:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

PBS-Kids-stub /
Created today, used on 6 articles. It's viability is doubtful, as only has 76 shows. Furthermore, there is no corresponding main category (as best as I can tell). Also, there's large problems about what stubs ought to go in it. For example, it currently is on Bob the Builder, which was not originally produced for PBS Kids (and only started showing there this season), is also shown on a BBC channel and was formerly shown on Nickelodeon in the US and Canada. Such use is questionably useful, and poses the possibility of many appropriate stub types for an article. Delete. --Mairi 07:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Conscious 07:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Look at Elmo, which was stubbed, and tell me if you think this user even knows what a stub is. Now only It's a Big Big World is listed. --  user:zanimum
 * Delete as per nomination. *\o/* Dustimagic *\o/* 19:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 02:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

-->
Category needs renaming from adjective to noun. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 22:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Conscious 07:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. Alai 02:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Iowa road stubs --> Category:Iowa State Highway stubs
This category will be used to hold state highway stubs, and this brings it in line with the other state highway stubs. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  23:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Conscious 07:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * After realizing how small this category is, I'm changing my vote to delete (by the way, there's another couple of tiny US Highway stub categories). As for naming, "State Highway" is a de facto standard, I think it's right for similar categories to be capitalized similarly. Conscious 07:52, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * But the permanent categories are largely at the lower-case versions, and these "de facto" upper-case versions are pretty much the work of one individual. It would be greatly preferable to have an actual standard (though IMO that should simply say "use normal capitalisation rules").  Alai 04:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We've tried to change it but SFD has always messed things up... so sorry if we haven;'t gotten to the standard we need yet. Also note the "we"- I'm not the only person who wants the caps. Plus the fact that at WikiProject Highways we're working on standards which will be turned into naming conventions. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Once again I must disagree on what's "messed up" here. (I assume you meant CFD;  the "messing up" at SFD went the other way.)  Note that if the page at the WPJ is indented to be a naming convention proposal as such, it should really be a NC subpage, not at the project.  Alai 04:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The purpose of that page is to unify the road people so we agree on what we need to ask for. If we aren't then the whole thing will collapse. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Which would bring it out of line with most of the permanent categories, not to say, correct capitalisation. Happily that's largely moot, as it's horrifically undersized, so simply delete.  Alai 06:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Which would what? They are Iowa State Highways. We're trying to correct thye caps of the State Highway cats specifically. This moves toward that goal. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * But your goal involves anything but "correction" of these categories. It's a common noun, please stop trying to capitalise it on no sound basis.  First relevant hit on google is the Iowa DOT, and is "Iowa state highways".  Is there any possible circumstance in which you might consider that you might be wrong about this?  And please address the point about the size of the category.  Alai 07:33, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine, delete it if you so desire. But we're going to have to come back and create it when a state highways WP is started on this. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * But hopefully a) when it has more than four articles, and b) with correct capitalisation. Alai 07:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * a) Why yes Iowa has more than four state highways. And b) the capitalization is correct. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  07:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The category does not. Please familiarise yourself with the criteria for stub creation, which are based on the number of current stub articles on a topic, not the total number of subjects in the domain, regardless of the existence (or non-stub status) of articles on them.  And come to that, on what a common noun is, rather than continuing to make these baseless assertions about capitalisation.  Alai 07:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact I did not create the category or stub. Also I know what a common noun is. I'm in Honors english. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  07:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And I'm aware of who created the stub stype, but you are the person here arguing that it be kept (against stub viability criteria), and renamed (against the naming conventions, all normative English stylistic considerations, and much else besides), thus it's to you I direct my commentary on these matters. Alai 07:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason that this is a proper noun is to make a distinction. Just as in Spanish, the reason a word is accented is to make a distinction. And also, U.S. Highway versus U.S. highway. The former refers to U.S. Highway 101, the latter can be any highway in the U.S. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  07:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Something either is or isn't a proper noun; you don't "make" it one for disambiguation purposes.  If that's required (and it's not really that clear that it is), it can be done either otherwise in the name (numbered routes in X, state routes in X), or explicitly in the scoping wording of the template and category text.  Alai 19:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Alai. <sup style="color:green;">Blank <sup style="color:#F88017;">Verse 10:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete given it's quite-small size. And i wouldn't mind seeing the same happen to other such small categories without specific wikiprojects. --Mairi 02:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

family-film stub
Thought y'all would just love to know that User:Maoririder is back, operating now as User:Jingofetts. This is his latest unusable stub. Almost speediable as patent nonsense - as were all his previous efforts. (itself questionable for NPOV purposes) has under 60 articles - this stub template and its associated lack of category have nil. delete thoroughly. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * yeah he also made island-stub which is further down :(. delete BL   kiss the lizard  10:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as CSD G5: "Contributions made by a banned user while they were banned." Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 10:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC) Vote withdrawn. 11:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears he isn't banned at present, tho. Blocklog says he was blocked for one week on Dec 20, so he's been unblocked since the 27th... --Mairi 22:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems he lost the password for the Maoririder account (but that gets us dangerously off topic :) ). --TheParanoidOne 22:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Family film' isn't genre, is it. There are comedies, dramas, etc. fit for families. Delete. Speedy if possible. Conscious 10:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above Dustimagic *\o/* (talk/contribs) *\o/* 00:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above Valentinian 01:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete at any desired velocity. Alai 19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as inherently POV. Think about it. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  23:35, Jan. 16, 2006
 * Delete - Completely useless and without category merit--Christopher 11:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Molcellbio-stub, Molecular and Cellular Biology-stub /
From stubberg. Created on August 29, used on 3 articles. Delete. Conscious 10:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub categories. --TheParanoidOne 14:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, but suspect undersorting. Alai 19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Netherlands-rail-stub /
From stubberg. Created on August 13, used on 8 articles, 5 of which are about locomotives. Delete. Conscious 10:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep It is likely this category will be expanded in the future, especially if more articles on dutch trains are written. Seems pointless to delete it now only to recreate it later. Our Phellap 16:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * that seems a very big "if" given that only three legit stubs have been added in five months. At that rate it would take eight years until it reached the stub-sorting threshold for a new stub category. I'd say delete until such time as it becomes a reasonable split, which may be a considerable time in the future. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub categories. --TheParanoidOne 14:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Grutters. Alai 19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, too narrow in scope. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  23:37, Jan. 16, 2006
 * Keep - The rail industry is huge and it seems approrpiate to break it down into country sections. I'd contend the statement that it is "too narrow in scope", in the future I believe more categories will fall under this category.--Christopher 11:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Pixar stub /
From stubberg. Created on August 23, used on 8 articles which seem to be about films. We're sorting films by genre, aren't we? Delete. Conscious 10:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and change the articles to use animation-stub. According to imdb, there are only 28 films or whatever produced by Pixar, and they're bound to get full-sized articles pretty fast in any case. - Bobet 15:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. *\o/* Dustimagic *\o/* 19:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete on size and cross-cat. Alai 19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Pop-culture-stub /
From stubberg. Created on October 5, used on 20 articles. The parent category isn't overfull. Also, IMO, it makes more sense to sort these 20 stubs into *-bio-stub, fashion-stub, tech-stub and so on. Delete. Conscious 10:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub categories, especially those whose parents aren't excessively full. --TheParanoidOne 14:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, size and cross-cat. Alai 19:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yugioh-stub /
From stubberg. Created on September 4, used on 4 articles. Delete, mark all stubs with anime-stub. Conscious 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm ambivalent about this one. It's too specific, but there is a wikiproject. The main category and all its subcats have 128 articles, many of which are probably stubs. Note that the stub category should at least be renamed to, and needs the main category as its parent. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  10:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC) (must...resist...using... the... suffix... -cruft!)
 * I'm tempted to say delete, based on the extremely tiny size, but the fact that there is a project complicates matters slightly. I've left a note on the project talk page asking for input on the matter. Though the fact that the talk page hasn't been touched since the start of December (and the project page in November) makes me wonder where there will be any response. --TheParanoidOne 15:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's quite clear that the project doesn't use the template. Anyway, there's a recommended minimum even for projects. Conscious 19:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete on the basis of extreme tininess, and WPJ inactivity. Am a bit surprised there's not more YJO-cr*ft -- undersorting?  Alai 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Social-stub /
From stubberg. Created on June 13, used on 5 articles. Delete, mark all stubs with psych-stub. If kept, I think the template needs renaming. Conscious 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * surely they'd become socio-stubs rather than psych-stubs? (delete, anyway) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  10:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete all tiny stub categories. --TheParanoidOne 15:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Alai 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore-bcast-stub /
From stubberg. Created on June 13, used on 28 articles. Delete. Conscious 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Terence Ong Talk 14:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 28 articles is too few for a stub type. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine 06:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub categories, especially those whose parents aren't excessively full. Upmerge to Category:Broadcasting stubs. --TheParanoidOne 15:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Alai 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, much too narrow. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  23:33, Jan. 16, 2006

Summary: Template and category deleted. Redirect Singapore-tv-stub also deleted. --TheParanoidOne 23:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Qatar-stub /
From stubberg. Created on September 14, used on 20 articles. Parent category is also underpopulated, so upmerge. Conscious 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all tiny stub categories, especially those whos parents aren't excessively full. --TheParanoidOne 15:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Croatian geography stubs / Category:Estonian geography stubs
Categories should be renamed from adjective to noun in line with similar categories. (to Category:Croatia geography stubs and Category:Estonia geography stubs) --Valentinian 21:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * support consistancy is good. BL   kiss the lizard  23:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Conscious 09:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename as per above. --TheParanoidOne 15:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * rename Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename Alai 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * rename --EncycloPetey 06:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Rename to
This would clarify/restrict the scope of magic-stub to only stage/illusion magic, and match the name of the new parent category,. This was discussed previously on WP:WSS/P. --Mairi 23:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Alai 18:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it makes sense to parallel the main category. Conscious 19:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Trotstub {redirect) / Trotskyism-stub / Category:Trotkyism stubs
If kept, the category needs to be renamed to. This stub was created in November and is currently used on about 9 articles. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 22:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Definitely needs to be renamed, I was trying to do that but couldn't figure out how. There are a bunch of other articles which could be added to this stub in Category:Trotskyists and Category:Trotskyist organisations so I think there's some use for it. Rafaelgr 23:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all the above as too narrow. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  23:32, Jan. 16, 2006
 * Delete all; too narrow to get enough use. Mairi 08:30, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete on size, and likely scope. Alai 18:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still too small. Delete because of that. Conscious 19:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Distributed computing-stub
From stubberg. Created on August 12, used on 2 articles. Delete. Conscious 07:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Kinhull 09:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Two articles in five months? At that rate, it should reach threshold for keeping in 2018. And that's not even mentioning its badly formatted name, the fact that it doesn't have a dedicated category, and the fact that it is easily covered by compu-network-stub. Delete as redundant. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Grutness. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 16:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, and establish a feasible speedy criterion for cases like this. Alai 18:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Materials science-stub and Materials Science-stub
From stubberg. Both created on September 2 and unused. Delete. Conscious 07:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. It's possible there's enough stubs on the topic, but since this are malformed and unused, we'd be starting from scratch anyway. Mairi 08:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per C&M. Alai 18:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Phil-bcast-stub
From stubberg. Created on September 2, used on 4 articles. Delete. Conscious 07:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete; doesn't seem to be much chance of being large enough. Mairi 08:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. The parent does need to be split, but systematically, and not on this narrow a basis.  Alai 18:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Summary: Template deleted. "Phil-bcast stub" redirect also deleted. --TheParanoidOne 13:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Hygiene-stub /
From stubberg. Created on August 20, used on 5 articles. Delete or merge to med-stub. Conscious 08:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as it's apparently not useful. -Mairi 08:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 18:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Lusatia-stub
Created today, unused, has a redlinked category. However, Lusatia cuts across two German states, one Polish voivodship and abit of the Czech Republic; so it would likewise cut across several stub types. Furthermore, there appears to be no main category for the area. Delete. --Mairi 00:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Speedy delete. --Valentinian 00:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - speedily if possible (not sure that it is, though). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. If we can speedy templates and categories only containing said template as per empty categories, we should logically should be able to with unused templates with no category.  I'll take the rap for this one if no-one objects (I'll give it until tomorrow, by which time it'll hardly be a speedy, but...).  Alai 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

gopher-stub /
This one defies logic. The template has a no-include category (frowned on in stub-sorting), and appears to be a catch-all for all articles that are remotely connected with gophers - it's currently used on articles about rodents, cartoon characters, and surface-to-air missiles. The mind boggles at what kind of editor that classification would help. It was certainly never proposed at WP:WSS/P before creation, or it would have been quite strongly discouraged, to say the least. Currently used on three articles, and will never get within hailing distance of the 60-stub threshold. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Valentinian 00:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Salvador-geo-stub
This stub should be re-named in consistency with ElSalvador-stub. --Valentinian 15:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. Even the category is named "El Salvador geography stubs". Conscious 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * rename. yeah, my fault - the country is often known simply as Salvador in the same way that The Gambia is often known as Gambia, but far less so in English. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename, and scold creator severely. :) Alai 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Summary: Template renamed and subsequent redirect deleted. --TheParanoidOne 21:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Laos-bio-stub /
From stubberg. Created on July 5, used on 19 articles. Merge to Asia-bio-stub unless it turns out that there are many more Laotian people stubs. Conscious 19:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Contains a significant number of individuals, and will only need to be recreated later when asia-bio becomes backlogged. Sarge Baldy 21:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rescope to SEAsia-bio-stub, else delete. Alai 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

What's the 'orphaning' here? Redirecting the template to Asia-bio-stub and null-editing all articles, or replacing all occurences of the template with Asia-bio-stub? Conscious 14:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The former, for my money. (Should just have said "merge", in hindsight.)  Alai 17:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Replace it with Asia-bio-stub and Laos-stub Kappa 22:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Template redirected. Category can be deleted now. Conscious 07:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Degrassi character stub /
Seems unlikely that there's near 60 articles - much less stubs - about Degrassi characters, since has only 6 articles, and there aren't many more linked from relevant articles. Delete. --Mairi 06:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete as underpopulatable. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  09:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Royboycrashfan 06:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian 01:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Philippines politician stubs / Category:Politicians of the Philippines
These categories This category should be renamed in consistency with similar categories to Category:Filipino politician stubs and Category:Filipino politicians respectively. --Valentinian 00:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom. The other one belongs on WP:CFD. --Mairi 03:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * You are right of course. I'll list it there. --Valentinian 08:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

suvadives-stub //, suvadives-geo-stub //
two stub types with four stubs between them (the geo-stub one is unused), all for a republic that existed for three years in the early 1960s and is now back where it was in the Maldives. The Maldives categories are not so huge as to need splitting, and Suvadives is not a current official region within the country (which is what geography splits at least are based on). Both should be deleted pronto. Note that there are no main Suvadives of Suvadives geography categories for these to be parents of, and (I'm not sure of this one) it may well be offensive to Maldivians to even think of regarding these separately. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  18:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * STRONG Delete - As per nom. Also whats disturbing to me is the articles recently created regarding Suvadives (United Suvadive Republic, Suvadiva atoll, Atolls of the Suvadives) by the creator of this template is written in presenttense as if the nation currently exists. There are other misleading templates created in this regard --Oblivious 20:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * delete Just saw something similar pop up at WP:TFD. this reeks of PoV warring. Circeus 20:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Valentinian 21:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

La Raza-stub (redirect, 2nd nomination)
The previous discussion failed to reach consensus, and no action was taken.

This redirect was nominated for deletion along with the template is redirects to, Mexican-American/Chicano Stub, and the discussion on it was effectively drowned, although even Bfraga of [Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexican-Americans/Chicanos said it should be deleted. As mentioned before, the term La Raza hasn't a stable meaning, so it's safer to delete the redirect. Besides, it doesn't follow WP:WSS/NG. Conscious 14:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Rockero 19:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 06:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Mexican-American/Chicano Stub / (2nd nomination)
The previous discussion failed to reach consensus, and no action was taken.

This is the stub type of the WikiProject Mexican-Americans/Chicanos. After more than a month in existence, the template is used on 6 articles. This is much less than is recommended (25-30). I suggest we delete this stub type because of its small size and the potential for misuse mentioned before (i.e. it may be mistakenly used for any person of the race, though it's not supposed to). Also, I suggest the Wikiproject uses another method for keeping eye on its stubs (what about a list on a project page?). If the people's opinion is to keep the template and category, the template anyway needs to be renamed to *-stub (or even to Chicano-stub for brevity). Conscious 14:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, and if for some basic-viability-criterion-defying reason it's kept, rename to be /-free and NC-compliant. Alai 14:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

recordproducer-stub
From stubberg. Created on September 1st. Used on 2 articles (as Whatlinkshere suggests), feeds into. Duplicates existing music-producer-stub. Just delete, as nobody seems to be really using it. Conscious 13:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Bruce1ee 05:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

rpg-stub // /  (redirect)
Generally speaking, it's against Wikipedia naming conventions to abbreviate a category title, and there's no good reason to do it when the contents of said category are all just automatically populated via the stub template itself. For that reason, I recommend that be redirected to. – Seancdaug 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * no need for a redirect - a rename would be far better. Repoint the template at the new category name, depopulate the old category, then delete it. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I gather that "redirect" is meant in the sense of category redirect, i.e. an implementation of a category move. So, yeah, move, by all means necessary.  Alai 13:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Move but retain rpg-stub as a redirect Percy Snoodle 17:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, no rename of the template is even being proposed. Alai 22:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename the category. No reason to have a category redirect either... --Mairi 03:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep the stub type, rename the category with a category redirect. Stifle 18:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

D&D-stub // /  (redirect)
Same story as above: there's no reason to abbreviate the category name. – Seancdaug 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * same solution as above. Rename and delete the old category. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Move as above Percy Snoodle 17:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yorkshire-geo-stub /
Yorkshire's geography stub categories were split into the three counties now comprising Yorkshire several months back, and this template and category are now deprecated. There's no point in keeping the template, and the category just adds one (unnecessary) extra level to the hierarchy, while also implying that West Yorkshire, North Yorkshire and South Yorkshire are somehow less important that all of England's other counties. I propose deleting both the template and the category. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:10, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I vote to keep just because Yorkshire is so awesome. Nardman1 19:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * yeees... it's awesome enough to have three separate stub categories which are in use and this one which no longer is. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per Grutness's rationale. Conscious 07:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alai 10:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - now redundant. The JPS 02:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nutri-stub
This stub was created on November 19th, 2005, without going through WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals first. Since then it has been added to two articles (5 A Day and Illnesses related to poor nutrition), both of which are no longer stub-length articles. Because after two months it hasn't been demonstrated that there's any real need for this stub type at this time, I'm proposing the deletion of it and its category Category:Nutrition and Dietetics stubs. Kurieeto 17:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll add a delete - on the proviso that you (or someone) can name a good alternative place for these stubs. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * All zero of them? :) In theory they'd go into the super-cat, med-stub.  Alai 23:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hiphop-group-stub /
Created in counter-consensus, and frankly botched move from of the hip-hop cats in the not even closed yet discussion, which I've now reverted. Speedy delete, and remind me to try and remain WP:CIVIL in the face of this... stuff. Alai 03:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. I suspect that the whole debate on hip-hop categories will need to be relaunched in any case. The original debate got pretty confused. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong agree The last-minute interjection of a rename and/or rescope "counterproposal" was not helpful.  Alai 05:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

China-road-stub /
Used on only 5 articles, despite having been created on August 27th. Delete on the basis of its size. Conscious 12:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, but a more general asia-road-stub may be worth considering. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, very obviously undersorted, though still likely undersized, and weak support of asia-road-stub, more likely to be reasonably populated. So I suppose that's in effect a possible rescope.  Alai 21:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge or delete. Stifle 18:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I'd rather see the cat remain since more articles will be written about China roads... I suppose upmerging is okay. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)