Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Deleted/May 2006

Gothic-novel-stub /
Nominated for deletion two months ago, and kept amid promises this would be being populated Real Soon Now. It's not, it should go. Alai 01:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly not growing. Grutness...wha?  06:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And now we're left with broken promises... Delete. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a proposal to create Horror-novel-stub which would cover all the gothic articles and then some. And I will populate it, really honest. So delete this one. Her Pegship 22:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Gothic novels are not horror novels. A majority of gothic novels may be classified as horror but not all.--Lzygenius 03:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment true that Gothic novels are not necessarily horror novels, and most horror novels aren't Gothic. Would be a useful cat if it were populated. - Runcorn 15:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Would be, but hasn't been. And we still do need the horror-novel-stub, whatever happens to this one. Her Pegship 04:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Sensible enough, but distinctly small -- and so's its parent,. Upmerge to get one only-moderately-undersized type (with two templates), the category of which could be renamed if necessary to be more explicitly inclusive. Alai 06:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. --Mais oui! 09:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. - Runcorn 15:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Alternate-hist-novel-stub /
Only 14, and this seems unnecessarily narrow to me. A sf-novel-stub type would seem a more reasonable scope. (These are pretty much by definition some sort of science fiction or speculative fiction, regardless of whether they're marketted as such.} Alai 06:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and propose the sf-novel-stub as per Alai. I'm glad that not everyone is fooled by the "let's not market this as sf" ploy of some publishers, who seem embarrassed to admit that good novels can be sf and vice versa Grutness...wha?  12:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and support the sf-novel-stub instead. I might not be completely unbiased on this one, but how about reserving "history" for say "events in the past" :) Valentinian (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I look forward to your deletion-nomination of Future History, then. :) Alai 08:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Prime material for a contradiction-in-terms-stub (or perhaps Oxymoron-stub) ? (grin) Valentinian (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, there is of course already sf-book-stub; for the sakes of novelistic consistency, I've created the above as a redirect.  (I imagine we're some way off wanting to split off the actual novels from the short story collections, Duneopaediae, etc.)  So, as I was saying, upmerge there, and probably not much point in keeping the template, either.  Alai 08:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per Alai. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Bring the Jubilee really a science-fiction novel? Many of those who love it the most would probably say that it isn't.... AnonMoos 20:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * most definitely! As are Harry Turtledove's books. In some ways BtJ contains more science fictional elements that them, in fact, since it contains the explicit use of time travel as part of its plot. Grutness...wha?  23:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not going to vote on this one, but, SF seems to be taking over the world, many appear to think all Fantasy stories should be called, Science Fiction| Now it is the turn of Alternative History. Yes of course this should relate to the past. But the whole point of the name is that the story is to tell an "Alternative" to what happened, not fit in with what did happen. What about SS-GB or Fatherland (novel) these are NOT science fiction and never will be. We could complete the trasformation of all fiction into SF barbara Cartland stories should be next to lump in that "cathc all" term. Sorry categorisation is all about placing together items of identical or similar nature and distinguishing them from items of disimilar nature. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to cover my bases on this one, I this evening asked a friend who's lectured at tertiary level on the topic, whether alternative history was in her opinion SF, and her reply was in the affirmative. As WP's article says:  "Alternate history or alternative history is a subgenre of speculative fiction (or some would say of science fiction)".  I think "sf-novel-stub" covers our bases either way.  SS-GB is SF by any reasonable definition:  how publishers market these things has more bearing on considerations of shifting units than logical taxonomy.  I'd be happy to see this split out as a sub-type if necessary -- or even feasible -- on size grounds, but currently it's neither.  Though I'd prefer to avoid the Americanism in the template name...  And this isn't categorisation (we have permanent categories for that), this is stub-sorting.  Alai 04:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Alternate history is by no means always Science Fiction, though by definition it's always speculative fiction. The problem is in defining SF. - Runcorn 15:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Info-sci-stub /
Once again is templated as being WSS category, and a WikiProject Computer science, but shows no signs at being proposed at either. This one is not only small, it's exceptionally poorly-defined and badly-scoped: it's never a good sign when the scoping text on the templates links to a disambiguation. Neither of the two meanings makes any sense here: one (informatics) is entirely redundant with Comp-sci-stub;  the other (library science) doesn't apply to the contents. Extremely strong delete. Alai 02:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete for all the reasons given above. Vague, small, and crosses the stub hierarchy. Grutness...wha?  06:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are currently 500 articles in and 2000 in . Maybe you should spent some time designing a new hierarchy beforing tearing down the current one further? —Ruud 16:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * it's very difficult to effectively design a hierarchy when people create unproposed stub types like this one which cut across it. Maybe you should spend some time working out how the system works before adding new stub types to it! Grutness...wha?  01:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and I will alert the WikiProject Librarians; we may want to adopt it. Her Pegship 22:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, never mind. You're right; the few articles therein seem to be ripe for upmerging to Comp-sci-stub. Her Pegship 22:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - My grandfather was a founder of the Institute of Information Scientists and it wasn't anything to do with this sort of thing; it was a specialism of librarianship. - Runcorn 15:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Infographics-stub /
Six months old, twelve articles: not a great rate of population. Delete, or at the very least, upmerge. Alai 01:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Delete per nom. - Runcorn 15:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly not growing. Grutness...wha?  06:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Mind you, where to re-sort the stubs (or indeed upmerge) this to?  doesn't have a template, and in any case the intent of its scope seems to be cultural symbols.  Do we need to rescope this to...  I'm not sure, graphics, signs, or heaven help us, semiotics?  Alai 15:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

TV-bio-stub / Category: TV people stubs
Created only for Mr. Monroe; never went through WP:WSS/P. --Rory096 22:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For all bio articles. See General Eisenhower 22:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there any particular reason why it uses a Russian flag ??? Valentinian (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm extremely inclined to speedy this one as "fundamentally confused about its scope" (which isn't technically a speedy criterion, but bleedin' well should be). Was used on a handful of tv-char-stubs, and one US-tv-actor-stub.  Currently empty, for that very reason.  Alai 22:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Since we already have tv-bio-stub and Category:Television biography stubs, delete this. Might be worth redirecting the template, as it differes only in the case of the abbreviation. Mairi 23:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete when possible Valentinian (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Save it as an archive. Userfy it to one of my subpages. Just don't delete it. General Eisenhower 00:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You may delete. I am crying. Boo-hoo wah. General Eisenhower 00:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment Certainly a duplication, but I suspect many novice users would prefer TV to tv. Runcorn 16:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It could certainly be redirected to the canonical name; this is much less clear-cut than many of the redirects we end up with anyway.  Alai 16:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Argentine-rock-stub /
Not sure why this one is here. 17 articles, and no permanent category. I suggest deleting the template and renaming/rescoping the category to. Conscious 13:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Shouldn't it be rock music? My initial impression was this was geology. Runcorn 16:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep: If it has 17 articles it is because we are working well. I didn't think about an argentine rock category (geo), because I didn't know that in english rocks had nationalities. If it is confusing, we can rename it. Oh, it has 21 articles now. The problem is that not all arg-rock-stubs have been tagged as stubs, so there are few in the category.--Argentino (talk/cont.) 17:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems to be holy trinity of undersized, badly named, and unclearly scoped. Suggest renaming and rescoping to Argentina-music-stub, if that'd be vaguely viable by size.  Alai 18:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Note also that this does cut across 2 existing stub categories: album-stubs and band-stubs. --Bruce1ee 07:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

and
Newly created as per WP:WSS/P, BUT... someone forgot the word "geography"! Rename as and  respectively. Grutness...wha?  03:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * actually skip it - I renamed them and speedied the old ones. Any complaints, and I'm happy to wear them. Grutness...wha?  03:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

CG-stub &rarr; CommonwealthGames-stub, or whatever else
Excessively cryptic and ambiguous. Rename to... almost anything else. Alai 01:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with nom. if anything, CG-stub would mean Montenegro. Grutness...wha?  03:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Coast Guard stub? Rename. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Mais oui! 09:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nominator or to any other reasonable option. Conscious 11:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename Commonwealth games is fine Runcorn 16:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Spacey templates
First two have no category, third is a bog-standard non-NG redirect. Lots more where that came from. Alai 01:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 2006-film stub
 * Delete per nom. Her Pegship 20:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Amateur radio organization stub
 * Delete per nom. Her Pegship 20:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Book stub
 * Keep. There are currently about 200 stub articles there waiting for us to sort them into genres, types, or other sub-cats; it's VERY useful as a "holding pen". Her Pegship 20:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For which the canonical, and NG-compliant template is book-stub, which I'm not proposing be deleted. Alai 20:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * del x3  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  04:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete all three. The first one can probably be speedied - it's by MaoJin (our old friend maoririder - now permanently blocked as a vandal), as is Electronica-song stub, which is on your list. Grutness...wha?  01:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Both done. Alai 20:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all three Runcorn 18:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 'em all Valentinian (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Berlin U-Bahn stub &rarr; Berlin-U-Bahn-stub
Space-ridden, contra the naming guidelines, otherwise seems fine. Alai 01:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * rename. do other cities have ubahns? or can this simply be made UBahn-stub??  BL Lacertae  -  kiss the lizard  04:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * comment 1 Vienna, Munich, Nuremburg, and Hamburg all have U-Bahns, so U-Bahn-stub is not approrpriate.
 * comment 2 There is also an existing Nuremberg U-Bahn stub that also needs renaming.
 * comment 3 Would an upscoping to Berlin-Bahn-stub to include the Berlin S-Bahn and maybe the Berlin Straßenbahn be desirable? Caerwine Caerwhine 17:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So many German cities have U-Bahns that it's quite embarrassing for the rest of us Europeans (we Insulars especially). :) I can personally attest to Frankfurt and Muechen.  The latter's is pretty madcap in extent, so I'd hestitate to suggest a rescope as it would end up sufficiently large that this would in effect be an unsorting effort.  Alai 17:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Might be a bit of an abstruse topic for most English speakers, but hell, Wikipedia encompasses everything. Runcorn 18:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Volcano-stub /
Less I say on this, the better. Delete. Alai 00:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * strong delete as per comments on mountain-stub proposal.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  04:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * strong delete as above. Grutness...wha?  05:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete indeed - who could argue? Runcorn 18:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Valentinian (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Unused. Conscious 10:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And more than four days old, so seems speediable unless anyone suspects it's been used recently. Alai 16:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, Delete Runcorn 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sped. Alai 18:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

→
I think this really is the last of the "UK" or "US" categories: I'm pretty sure we can speedy this, so object quickly (and with cause), if you're going to. Alai 07:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How can anyone object? Runcorn 10:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Who knows? Stranger things have happened.  Anyhoo, done now...  Alai 17:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hong-Kong-bio-stub → HongKong-bio-stub; HK-singer-stub → HongKong-singer-stub
For the sake of a modicum of consistency (we already have HongKong-actor-stub), and per the naming guidelines. Alai 02:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree Runcorn 10:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree Valentinian (talk) 10:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Imo, this category name should be unabbreviated to Category:Constructed language stubs. However, I haven't followed the discussions on WP:WSS for some time now, so I don't know if there was any discussion leading to the current name. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 09:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * erk! yup, that needs a rename. Grutness...wha?  01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename - who'd understand conlang? Runcorn 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Conlandians perhaps? Rename Valentinian (talk) 00:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind, just rename. The stub name is fine, but that category should be unabbreviated. Falphin 00:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved from CFD  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See: Category:Music stubs. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * delete. next time take it to the right place and give a reason!  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: emptiness, naming guidelines.  Possible speedy.  Alai 02:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete in favour per ProveIt. --Slgrandson 14:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Runcorn 21:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Valentinian (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved from CFD  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Does not seem to be used anymore. Conscious 12:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC).
 * dont think it has been for a long time. delete  BL Lacertae  -  kiss the lizard  01:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, empty, and pointless. Speedy.  Alai 02:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Who needs empty stub cats? Runcorn 21:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete the quicker the better. Valentinian (talk) 01:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

AngloSaxon-battle-stub /
Beautifully formed, but not proposed and unused for nigh on two months. Clearly not needed. Populate or delete. Grutness...wha?  01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Populate or delete. On a more general note, yes, it is very beautifully formed. How about an update of the code listed for a "standard" stub template? I find code like this much easier to read. Valentinian (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedily delete categories (of this and the two below) as long-standingly empty. I think from the noises the creator made, these were given up on when the size guidelines where pointed out.  Possibly keep the templates, though as they're used...  Alai 16:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've noticed a number done in this style, seems OK to me. Perhaps the guidelines page shouldn't give a single example scheme at all, since for one thing, it tends to get out of synch with metastub, and for another, it creates confusion as to the degree of prescription involved.  (Which some people then take literally, and other people throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding.)  Ideal would just be a couple of "dos and don'ts" (such as, do have an outer div tag, don't be includeonly'ing the template).  Alai 23:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, some of those might be my creations :) I prefer this format since it's more easy to read. Some people take the "recipe" too literally so a few do's and don't sounds great. Valentinian (talk) 15:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Populate or delete Runcorn 21:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Norway-battle-stub
As above, except no category. Populate or delete. Grutness...wha?  01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Populate or delete Runcorn 21:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not excessively uptimistic about this one. I've only been able to find around 15. Hmm, Dano-Norwegian history was full of battles, but they mostly took part in Denmark, Sweden or Germany. Norway was the exception. Valentinian (talk) 23:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats mainly why I didn't work on this one. Sure there are more than 50 battles in Norwegian history(Viking wars,Sweden v. Norway, Demark v. Norway, and WWII.) But, we don't have articles on most of those battles. Falphin 00:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Upmerge, no point in losing sorting effort. Maybe a Scandi/Nordic category?  Alai 02:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sweden is listed above. Shouldn't we wait to see about that one? I'm thinking about doing a count for Denmark. Btw, I found it a bit surprising neither Germany nor Poland had a template. Valentinian (talk) 02:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I did a count of explicit double-stubbing a while ago, and both of those were "bubbling under" (I don't recall specific numbers). A more systematic hunt would probably turn up more.  Alai 02:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not create a history-stub for Norway? I'm sure enough stubs could be gathered for that. Falphin 01:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upscope to Norway-history-stub and double-stub the articles with that and battle-stub. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine 05:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Valentinian (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * me too, except it should be Norway-hist-stub :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  11:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. You are right of cause. Valentinian (talk) 11:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Orthadox-stub / /
All three come from the same source. Will somebody with administrator rights *please* zap them before they breed??? And yes, we already have an Orthodoxy-stub. Valentinian (talk) 15:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Forgot it before. They're not used and created today so speedy delete please. Valentinian (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Emphatic delete When will we have a spell-checker?!? Runcorn 21:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll just check the budget :) Valentinian (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * even my spellings better than that! :)  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sped. Doubtless about to be recreated as redirects...  Alai 01:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope not. I posted the author, told him he had his spelling wrong, and gave him the correct links. Valentinian (talk) 01:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be the author I had in mind... Alai 01:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

News-stub / no cat.
Created a few days ago. Very poor format, redundant and no cat. Delete Valentinian (talk) 23:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete gave me a laugh, but it's useless. -- E ivindt@c 05:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can think of no usefulness.--Jusjih 08:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * ohhh dear' (that's a "delete") Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I've found couple articles that might use that stub, but it's definitely nowhere near the 60 threshold. Delete it before people actually use it.   Amalas   =^_^=  20:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

More space-filled redirects
All redirects, all unused (in some cases with a little bit of help), all not conforming to the naming guidelines, and thus serving only to sow confusion as to same. These seem to be about half-and-half leftovers from moves of non-NG templates and sheer WP:POINT. Alai 13:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Bus stub
 * D&D stub
 * Dallas stub
 * Hurricane stub
 * Massachusetts stub
 * Military stub
 * US-road stub
 * US-street stub
 * US road stub
 * Us road stub
 * Us street stub
 * Delete all - but one question... why do we even have Dallas-stub? AFAIK there's no wikiproject, and there's only a couple of dozen stubs - many of which seem to be geo-stubs (and yes, I must admit that when I first saw the name, I expected them to be stub articles on the Ewing family!) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hee! Yes, good question, looks rather marginal to me.  By all means split out as a separate nom.  Alai 13:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * done. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  14:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Empty, redundant to. I guess it can be speedied. Conscious 08:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What's more, this is a recreation of a previously SFD'd cat, and its recreator placed a CFD tag on it. I think it won't be missed.  Alai 03:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

town-stub /
Towns are categorized by location. Delete. Conscious 05:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Pointless, absurdly broad, not representative of a topic of special interest (unless WikiProject Towns turns up and proves me wrong). Is this by any chance a General Eisenhower windup?  Alai 06:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) 08:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This probably falls in the category river-stub and mountain-stub. Aecis AppleknockerFlophouse 08:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that's a little unkind to those two. Alai 04:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete it does and since most geo-stubs are towns anyway, wed be looking at this getting too big almost immediatly - there must be ten thousand towns marked as stubs.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  04:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete as per all the above. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * DELETE for broadness. It's too broad to be useful; too damn many towns in the world. HubHikari 16:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Empty, blanked by creator. Speedy. Conscious 10:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy indeed. Unused. Doesn't link to anything (relevant) either. --TheParanoidOne 05:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Minnesota-stub / Category:Minnesota stubs
Both created on 31st March. Used on only two stubs. Category:Minnesota contains only 20 articles. --TheParanoidOne 05:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Either populate or delete. If there's no sign of close to 60 articles by the end of this deletion process, then it's not worth saving... Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Television movie stubs to Category:Television film stubs

 * Moved from WP:CFD Conscious 18:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Per naming convention; the parent category has been renamed. Her Pegship 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC).
 * Rename per nom. Conscious 19:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Carina22 09:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom. This can be speedied in my eyes since consensus to rename it according to WP:TV-NC had already been reached before. - The DJ 13:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom. Lady Aleena 21:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

->
Wasn't proposed, but used on 74 articles, and looks like a useful child of UK-org-stub and med-org-stub. Rename category to expand abbreviation, possibly rename template (NHS-stub), list at WP:WSS/ST. Conscious 05:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC) *Rename by expanding abbreviation. I think the NHS has a large enough number of articles to qualify for its own stub category (It is at 98 stubs at the time of writing and still growing). Also, it is a useful marker for the NHS WikiProject to quickly identify which articles the editors need to work on. Grutness' idea of a UK-med-org-stub might a useful addition as well. Road Wizard 22:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * would it be worth enlarging this to UK-med-org-stub or similar, to allow for the addition of such things as the Voluntary Aid Detachment? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A good idea, I think. Conscious 07:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename category (one way or another). Keep NHS-stub, possibly add additional template as per Grutness: if there's a lot of private hospitals, medical charities, etc, kicking around we might be splitting the NHS ones back out soon enough.  Alai 07:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There's not much logic to an additional UK-med-org-stub, as it'll take a long while to be viable separately from the NHS ones. If the type is renamed and rescoped, the NHS-stub template should obviously be kept for clarity, so there'd be no real "information loss".  Alai 23:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you please clarify something for me? You say "Keep NHS-stub, possibly add additional template as per Grutness", but when I say the same thing the idea is suddenly illogical. Can you please explain if I am missing something? Thank you. Road Wizard 00:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I was suggesting an "upmerged" NHS-stub, if the category were to be rescoped, you were proposing a separate category, which as I say, would not be viable according to the size guidelines in WP:STUB. Apologies if my utterances to that effect were unduly gnomic and jargonistic, as is not uncommonly the case in these parts.  (I also notice I'm entirely inconsistent over time over the imminence of a re-split, mind you, but fortunately the erratic nature of my crystal ball materially affect what I think we should do at this point.)  Alai 00:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I will politely back out of this discussion. I think I am way out of my depth, and I'm getting so confused my head hurts. :( Road Wizard 00:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * To put it simply, stub categories need a reasonable population to be useful to editors (WP:WSS uses a threshold of 60-65 stubs as a minimum for a new category). Each stub category has a dedicated template - sometimes (rarely) two or more dedicated templates. There may not be enough UK-med-org stubs for their own category, but there would be nothing wrong with having both them and the NHS stubs going into one category with a more all-inclusive name. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

sportbio -> sport-bio
I have a proposal to formally include a dash before "bio" in the name of all sport-related biography templates, while keeping old names as redirects. In fact, all it takes is to move all such templates to their new names. Conscious 10:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that and editing the various pages to tell people to use the new ones. :) Super-strong support.  Alai 18:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not using the hyphen is one of those pieces of stub sorting cruft that makes perfect sense -- once it's been explained, which is the problem. The only real problem with a swirch is with the Australian rules football stubs aflbio-stub which makes use of the sportbio convention to specify that the AFL under discussion is sports related (altho why it is Australian football instead of the old American Football League or the Arena Football League is not at all clear) Support so long as aflbio-stub gets moved to something unambiguous. Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine  18:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Mind you, if the non-hyphen's the subliminal disambiguation for aflbio-, what's afl-stub's excuse? What about a move to "Aussierules-stub/-bio-stub"?  Alai 00:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. It is about time. Support from here. Valentinian (talk) 21:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * support aflbio is probably used for aussie rules because the sports usually referred to as afl even in australia.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  00:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the question is, how well-known is it by that somewhat terse and ambiguous handle elsewhere? Better that than Ozfooty-stub, I suppose...  Alai 00:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * o i agree. im just saying why it probably got called that to start with.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  03:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy move, an ultimatum to add a hyphen before "bio" in all such stub types would be most excellent. — May. 24, '06 <tt> [18:43] < [ freak]|[ talk] ></tt>

USP-Stub, USP-stub (redirect) /
Empty, poorly named, and as far as I can see, considered epicly unnecessary by its own wikiproject: as far as I can see, no such articles are actually stubs. Speedy in a couple of days. Alai 17:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

SaintPetersburg-geo-stub /
Created about an hour ago. Sadly I nominate it for deletion because there are nowhere near enough articles to warrant this stub type. Conscious 17:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Delete unless it can be brought close to threshold before this vote ends (which seems unlikely). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alas, it'll have to be a Delete unless it comes much closer to threshold. Valentinian (talk) 07:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

RnB-album-stub -> R&B-album-stub
This rename was proposed long ago; let's make it now. Also, let's list this type at WP:WSS/ST, the category is nearing 300 entries. Conscious 15:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree, keep redirect to avoid confusion as both forms are pretty common. Alai 00:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. You have no idea how many times I've forgotten that it's "n" instead of "&" while I'm going through and sorting album stubs.  --fuzzy510 04:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, if it causes no technical problems (which is why I originally used the "n" and not the "&" in the first place. --FuriousFreddy 11:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Mhacdebhandia 02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

HK-company-stub &rarr; HongKong-company-stub
As per earlier renaming; don't much care if we keep the redirect or not. Alai 00:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Only necessary if we are going to rename UK- into UnitedKingdom-, and US- into UnitedStates-. - Privacy 11:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Only necessary if "HK" is a less familiar abbreviation than those, or if the other stubs are at "HongKong-": i.e., actually necessary.  I take it you'd favour keeping the redirect?  Alai 18:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. All Hong Kong templates should be consistently named. Valentinian (talk) 18:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

->
This would be the standard form. Conscious 16:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Valentinian (talk) 09:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Clear enough to speedy, I felt. Alai 06:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

WW-stub -> WestWing-stub
Category:The West Wing stubs looks good with over 150 articles. But the template should be renamed to something understandable. Conscious 15:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * rename. Looks reasonably sized, but definitely need renaming. My first thoughts were "World War" and "Wolverhampton Wanderers". I'd never have guessed The West Wing, and I'm a fan of the show. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename I thought the name had something to do with wrestling. Valentinian (talk) 09:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

DC-stub -> WashingtonDC-stub
I've boldly listed this at WP:WSS/ST, as the related category contains ~150 entries. The template obviously needs renaming. Conscious 18:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename. yeah, this has been around for a while, I think. Are many of the articles geo-stubs, because if so, they probably need moving to the geo-equivalent. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Geo-stub was upmerged to this one a while ago, but has reached the threshold. There's a proposal to unredirect WashingtonDC-geo-stub at WP:WSS/P. Conscious 04:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

french-speaking-stub /
Just a tad too broad in scope, perhaps. Same user has created three other types, all with similar orphan-save-for-a-self-include structure; no fair voting to upmerge to self, now. (All unproposed.) Alai 21:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete; I didn't know stubs could speak, let alone in French. <g> Her Pegship 22:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete as above. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Conscious 04:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) 09:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved to WP:CFD. Conscious 06:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

->
Should be named like the other auto racing categories, I would think. Recury 14:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Conscious 06:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Consistency is good. Rename Valentinian (talk) 16:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

mughal-stub /
Small, unproposed, and redundant with India-hist-stub, which isn't so full as to need splitting. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) 09:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sensible in theory, just smallish in practice, so upmerge. Alai 14:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * keep - Its Good! --Irishpunktom\talk 16:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * delete duplicates what weve got and we dont need a third template feeding into the india-hist cat.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  06:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

->
Rename to correct the grammar. I used the noun instead of the adjective when I created this stub category earlier this year! The stub template Belgium-band-stub is correct. --Bruce1ee 12:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom (and only author). Conscious 12:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a done deal. Alai 15:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

24 Stubs / Category:24 Stubs
Isn't named properly, for one thing. It's currently unused, and there's no room for expansion here. StubSense gave me 17 articles in Category: 24 (TV series), and some would either not actually be classified under this category (they're actors in the show and whatnot), or they're mislabeled and aren't actually stubs. Wasn't proposed, and almost certainly wouldn't have been approved had it been. --fuzzy510 21:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, per the obvious.--ragesoss 21:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Del.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kukini 05:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 'nough said. Valentinian (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Jesuit-stub /
Undersized, grab-bag of people, institutions, and yes, geo-stubs. Orphaned, self-including... Alai 21:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Small-business-stub /
Orphan, self-including category, used in a scattergun manner on people, pieces of software, and at least one geography stub. Delete, or fix place in hierarchy, rescope in sane manner, and populate right this time. Alai 21:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. we split businesses (companies, anyway) by country and type not by size.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree - it doesn't really seem like a sensible way of splitting this. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Machinima-stub /
Used on 1 article, looks too narrow. Conscious 11:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It was only created a week or so ago. Machinima is a film-making technique and a medium of its own. Another user and I are interested in starting a Wikiproject: Machinima, once we get the people, as we and several others have already gotten one article up to featured status, and need somewhere central to co-ordinate the improvement of other machinima articles, as well as to nut out some sort of proper notability criteria (extending from this and this), to help combat spamming of NN productions (of which there are a lot). See the relevant discussion here.--Drat (Talk) 11:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What we need to know is whether there's currently around 60 such stub articles (or around 30, if the wikiproject is a going concern). If not, then by the size guideliness, it really is too narrow.  Alai 14:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess they could always be recreated at some point down the line.--Drat (Talk) 14:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Until then, I suggest you use a different method to keep track of the articles, such as a list on a project page. This allows for nice things such as comments about the state of an article. When the list is unmaintainable, a stub category is a better solution. Conscious 14:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete for now. no problem with reproposing once its at a reasonable size.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete for now per BL. Valentinian (talk) 16:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:ICT company stubs -> Category:Information technology company stubs
I suggest expanding acronym (possibly to Category:Information and communications technology company stubs). Also, this seems to be a reasonable split of, so listing it at WP:WSS/ST looks like a good idea. Conscious 09:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Alai 15:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like a good idea. Valentinian (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Heerlen-stub
A minor Dutch town with its own stub category? It should be included in the Netherlands stub, because wikipedia cannot house stub categories for dutch municipalities. C mon 07:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, several reasons. 1) Heerlen is a Dutch municipality and not just a town. 2) For Dutch municipalities it is not a minor one, before al the mixing up of municipalities hapend in the Netherlands it was in the top 10. Heerlens history dates back 6000 year 3) "It should be included in the Netherlands stub, because wikipedia cannot house stub categories for dutch municipalities." this is what 'should' hapen and not an argument why it should hapen. 4) At this moment I am trying to expand Heerlen and the Heerlen related articles, to get people to help me I am starting articles and putting them up as a stud so people know where work has to be done. 5) If it has to be deleted I would like a regional stub, this is used for articles about the UK (for instance Lothians geography stubs). To conclude Heerlen has a very rich history dating back more then 6000 years, what Dutch city can claim that? In order to expand stubs have to be created, to keep track of stubs we need a Heerlen stub or at most a regional stub, country stubs are not as effecient!Mach10 08:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's why, then: the size threshold in WP:STUB.  Regional stub types are somewhat better idea, but they already exist for regional geography stubs (e.g., ), exactly analogously to the UK example you cite, and there's simply not the numbers of general Dutch stubs to justify a regional split:   is less than a single listing page.  Nor is splitting people by region generally considered to be a great idea.  Surely what'd be more useful for your purposes is a Heerlen or Limburg Wikiproject, which can track associated stubs in a list, until such times as a separate stub type becomes reasonable.  Alai 15:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason why is single sized is probably because most articles that are stubs are not marked as such (for instance Heerlen, Hoensbroek, and Bernardinus College (marked as a netherlands-school-stub since october 2005) are clearly country/regional/local stubs, but where not marked as such), the stubs system doesn't seems to work. I saw this and started stubing those articles. And yes I could have stubed them on a regional level and not localy, but I was working on my own Heerlen project and thus marked them as a Heerlen stub, which is beter then not marking them at all. Mach10 16:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why those three examples indicate a pressing need for this stub type, as they're respectively: not a stub; a LimburgNL-geo-stub;  and as you say, a netherlands-school-stub:  how is the latter existing tagging evidence of the stubs system not working?  Alai 17:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The standard number of stubs for a new template is 60-65. It is currently used on 9 articles, and I'd cannot imagine this one reaching the normal level anytime soon. Delete Valentinian (talk) 21:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * delete not needed. the current scheme works for all editors well. this stubs only being used by one person by the sound of it - it would be more sensible for her or him to make a list of articles on their user page and work from that.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete The creator of this template is sticking it in silly places: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dyneema&diff=56299989&oldid=55370128 --Knife Knut 05:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * delete. Already better covered by more expansive stub types. This has an impossibly small scope and is clearly not being used where it should be. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * NOTE: The sfd-c template was not put on the category, so this will need to be left one more week :/ Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * PS - the category is now empty. There were 36 articles in there, but 15 or so of them weren't stubs anyway. The remaining article were almost all geo-, bio-, or struct-stubs which belonged in other categories (except for one or two which had no relevance to Heerlen whatsoever). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  06:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Europ-tram-stub /
One article. Too specific. Delete. Conscious 11:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep Please do not be too short-sighted, there maybe more articles later, such template and categories already exist for European railways. Myrtone@Stub types for deletion.com.au 23:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Whether there become more articles later is irrelevant to the situation now. If there are eventually enough articles for a separate stub type, then it can be recreated later (after proper proposal at WP:WSS/P). Note that the main difference between Category:Europe rail stubs and this one is that it has 202 stubs, this new one has one. The threshold for stub category creation is 60-65 existing stubs. For now, unless it can be populated with close to that threshold number before this debate finishes it should be deleted. (If kept, the template name needs changing to the standard "euro-"). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename to Euro-tram-stub to be consistent with Euro-rail-stub. Looking quickly through just the first column of  (whcih covers articles up through C), I count ten more articles that could be sorted into this stub subtype.  Granted, many of them are for tram stops or other station type articles (personally, I see little value in having an article for every single tram stop on a line, especially when they aren't notable in themselves), but there are more stubs than just the one that will fit into this subtype. Slambo <small style="color:black;">(Speak)  19:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There are now 50 articles tagged with this stub template. Slambo <small style="color:black;">(Speak) 11:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, rename, populate, review if it's not grown to sensible proportions in a month or two. Alai 19:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upmerge or Rename as per euro-rail-stub. --Doco 07:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, used on 11 articles at the moment, at least that's a start. Rename or upmerge. Delete if it refuses to grow. Valentinian (talk) 16:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Used on 14, and probably 30 by the end of the day... The stub has simply never really been used, I myself have been creating many tramway article but never noticed this template (probably badly categorised). I will endeavour in using it apropriatly.
 * Keep. Do not merge, do not rename. Captain scarlet 11:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The template is now used on 49 European tramway articles (previously tagged with the tram stub). Is is 32 or 39 articles for a stub template to warrant existence? I've found this template to be useful to make the distinction between tramway and train, and between the rest and europe, with a bit of editing effort, there's more than likely to be country tram specific templates in the coming months/years. Captain scarlet 11:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see it's grown, but it should be renamed to euro-tram-stub anyway. We use euro- for everything. Conscious 13:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Weeds-stub
Never proposed, scope too limited. overlaps with tv-episode-stub. Besides none of the articles that use it, should even be in Wikipedia, as per WikiProject Television episodes. I'll probably mark them for deletion. - TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Undersized, no category, all contents on AFD... I see deletion in this template's future.  Alai 19:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like a bad idea. Delete Valentinian (talk) 16:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lengendary Creature stubs to Category:Legendary creature stubs
So noted at CFD's speedying section by Her Pegship &hearts; 05:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If changed it should indeed be speedied - but I don't recall it ever having been proposed (or more to the point, I think it was proposed and rejected). There is no template and the category is empty. I'd say just speedy delete with no renaming. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just checked, and it looks like I was wrong, it was proposed. But why it was created with no template is beyond me. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. I've removed the SFD tag, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't back here soon enough if it's not sorted out.  Alai 01:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Colorado Springs-stub /
Where to start? Never proposed, adequately covered by the hardly over-stretched Colorado-stub and Colorado-geo-stub, BIG icon on template, template incorrectly named, only seven stubs... this one's eminently loseable. Delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Valentinian (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * del.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Postal-stub / Category:Postal stubs and
Created in January 2006 but used on only six stubs. Delete based on tiny size. Not sure where they should be put though ... --TheParanoidOne 05:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Closing note:the categories were deleted, the stub now puts articles into Category:Post and philately stubs. - Bobet 11:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As I commented on WP:WSS/D, a slight re-scoping of philately-stub could easily cover these items. In any case this stub type isn't needed - delete. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Which seems to me to argue for rescoping this type, as the more inclusive, and upmerging the phil-stubs to here, keeping both templates. Alai 07:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm relisting this due to general lack of clarity as to a Plan; I've added an SFR tag to the phil-stub cat, so's we can rescope that, which seems to me to be the best option. Alai 19:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comedy Perhaps it should be upmerged into either {death-stub} or {crime-stub}? Caerwine <small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caerwhine 14:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * that would be if it was Category:Last post stubs!  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  01:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I assumed he had in mind going postal. Alai 02:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Basically, I'd be in favour of anything that combines these two stub types into one category and (preferably) one template. The real question as far as i'm concerned is whatit should be called. Perhaps keeping both templates and making it might be a reasonable solution (although noun forms would probably be better). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * , perhaps? (Sounds slightly less awkward to my ear than the reverse.)  Alai 10:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge and rename as. --Jack 20:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Postal stubs now has 12 listings. Perhaps it would be okay to keep after all. Eastmain 05:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I make that 11, and the size threshold is 60... I'm just waiting to see if there's any more input about the name of the merged category (though the template will indeed be kept).  Alai 05:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)