Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/BenBurch


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User:BenBurch

 * Suspected meatpuppeteer


 * Suspected meatpuppet

ClemsonTiger
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These two users have a meatpuppet relationship. Wherever one goes, the other follows. They are constantly pushing a left-wing POV on politically related articles, particularly Free Republic, Protest Warrior and Democratic Underground. They routinely violate WP:RS in the process of their campaign against WP:NPOV in these articles. Anyone who attempts to defend NPOV in these articles is targeted for ridicule and personal attacks, in violation of WP:CIV and WP:NPA, and may end up a target of sockpuppet allegations which give rise to little yellow notices being plastered on their User and Talk pages, and on the article Talk pages. The sockpuppet investigations are used for days as an excuse to proceed with even more virulent WP:NPA and WP:CIV violations.
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Revenge nomination from a confirmed sock puppet of User:BryanFromPalatine. I need say no more. --BenBurch 00:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

'''See Requests for checkuser/Case/BryanFromPalatine and Suspected sock puppets/BryanFromPalatine (4th) for recently completed proceeding against this sock puppet making this revenge request. --BenBurch 01:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you should say more, Ben. I'm assembling the evidence against you now. There's going to be a lot of it. - ClemsonTiger 00:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's some evidence of their personal attacks and ridicule. Here's some more.  Here's just one of many examples of their ridicule and personal attacks during a sockpuppet investigation.  Notice how, whenever one of them starts a sockpuppet investigation, the other is piling on within a few minutes. Each and every time. Conclusive and damning evidence of their meatpuppet relationship. - ClemsonTiger 00:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The evidence of their collaborative violations of WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:CIV and WP:NPA are far too voluminous to list here. I refer admins to their Talk pages and the archives of their Talk pages for the many warnings that they have received. I also refer admins to the articles I've previously cited, and the many warnings they've received there as well. - ClemsonTiger 01:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't forget the archives from his talk page that BenBurch has tried to conceal, by not linking them on his Talk page: Archive 1 Beginning - June 2006 Archive 2 June 2006 - December 3rd 2006 - ClemsonTiger 01:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's also the previous account used by F.A.A.F.A., entitled NBGPWS, which stands for "Neocons Be Gone, Protest Warrior Sucks," and its archives. Under that name, F.A.A.F.A. was blocked for a month. - ClemsonTiger 01:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Then, of course, there's this little gem: - ClemsonTiger 01:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: Requesting sock puppet and the sockpuppeteer have been permanently blocked. BenBurch 02:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

While I believe that (a) this is a revenge posting and (b) neither Ben or FAAFA is a sock puppet or that either uses sockpuppets, the rest of CT's post is pretty accurate. Jinxmchue 04:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have had very unpleasant dealings--shouts and threats--from BenBurch in the last day or so, He rejects the notion that all statements have to be based on reliable sources and demands all sorts of nonsense re Henry Ford. (He says that a deletion of incorrect information has to be proven false to his satisfaction or it stays, even without a reliable source.) I've made hundreds of editos to that article over the last year and resent his un-Wiki behaviour. Rjensen 02:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahem... You were five reverts into your 3RR limit, and I was nice enough not to report that.  And you were deleting properly sourced information from the article to defend Henry Ford against charges that he was complicit with Hitler.  You provided NO sources to back up your claim that the cite for that material was unreliable, and instead decided to make fun of my grandparents.  I demanded, and the other editors in that article demanded, that you provide a Reliable Source to back up your extraordinary claim that the source we had was a liar.  You claimed that The International Jew never existed, or was not authored by Ford, and was never translated into German, both untrue.  All we asked was a Reliable Source for your claims and your refused to provide it.  So, yes, you will continue to have "very unpleasant dealings" with me and the other editors of the Henry Ford article if you intend to bully your way through to deleting information to rehabilitate Ford. --BenBurch 16:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, and my only "threat" was to turn you in for 3RR if you made a Sixth Revert to this article. I see that you were subsequently blocked for edit warring on yet another article, and you have MANY such blocks in your block log. --BenBurch 16:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See how BenBurch responds to claims that he has threatened someone. He responds with more bullying. Since joining Wikipedia I've tried to learn how the website works: the interpersonal dynamics and hierarchies. I haven't done much editing, just reading and learning about the sociology of the site. I looked at the Protest Warrior, Free Republic, and Democratic Underground articles since I suspected that they would be flashpoints for conflict and this was immediately confirmed. I quickly learned about diffs, talk pages, archives and about contribution histories. What they're doing is not right. I looked at the Free Republic talk page and the Democratic Underground talk page, and archives of both. They are like dogfights. But every fight has a history. I looked for the cause of this fight in the archives of the fighters. I found this edit war (9-10 January) and this edit war (31 December - 1 January) (both on BryanFromPalatine's talk page while he was blocked) and this foul remark (5 December). I've learned that a user has the unlimited right to edit his own Talk page. Any edit war there is the fault of the visitor. Many, many other edit wars and foul remarks in the archives. They're still harassing Bryan here and here and here. There's also this, where BenBurch is using IP address 69.81.140.136 as a sock puppet. The presence of such people is the reason why I have not continued to participate on Wikipedia to a greater degree. Careful review of the diffs and contrib histories confirms that BenBurch and FAAFA have formed a street gang. Whenever one of them gets into a disagreement, the other one shows up, probably in response to a phone call or e-mail. BenBurch and FAAFA always baited BryanFromPalatine. Administrators blamed the victim, because he always took the bait and reacted in the wrong way. BenBurch and FAAFA should share his fate. Fensteren 19:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Clemson Tiger is Nit Picking...it appears.

Sounds like the Republicans are just nit picking because Ben Burch and the other guy are holding down very strong arguements and they have similar opinions. This guy just wants someone who is not Pro-Bush or super conservative banned. Nit Picking - previous unsigned comment by User:69.81.140.136


 * Speaking of sockpuppets... Jinxmchue 18:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Would you care to elaborate upon that comment, Jinxie? Or to retract it? --BenBurch 05:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Pretty obvious that this was a single-use sockpuppet. They show up, put up some snarky comments about Republicans on this one page, and then vanish. Jinxmchue 05:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * A sock puppet of whom do you think? That is a cablemodem user in TN.  More than likely this user edits all the time, but being on a cablemodem has a different IP every day or so.   You are in my opinion far too ready to point the finger without cause here.  --BenBurch 07:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, sure. Whatever, Ben.  Maybe they should get a username and password.  Then it won't matter about having different IPs every day. Jinxmchue 02:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Not everybody wants the abuse that comes with having a user name here. --BenBurch 05:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Then they shouldn't be surprised when they're suspected of being sockpuppets, should they? Gosh, but you're defending this person an awful lot.  One must wonder why you aren't approaching this issue with the same level of suspicion, incredulity and enthusiasm as you are with other suspected sockpuppets. Jinxmchue 14:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)



Methinks next time they should try filing a WP:CABAL case ! LOL ! - Fairness &amp; Accuracy For All 09:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There may not be a WP:CABAL, but there is a meatpuppet relationship. They haven't even tried to deny it, although they immediately removed templates from their User pages in violation of Wikipedia policy. Jinxmchue, Fensteren and Rjensen agree that it is an abusive relationship in various ways. What is the remedy? Dino 20:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you just organically incapable of understanding the Wikipedia term of art "MeatPuppet"? A Meatpuppet is a single purpose account created to sway a particular vote or a particular article. FAAFA and I are two separate individuals who happen to agree on things when we find them here on Wikipedia.  Unlike your sock puppets which were focused like a laser beam on the Free Republic article.  Of all the people I have met here you are probably the least intelligent. --BenBurch 06:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But you keep referring to Bryan as "smart kid." Ironclad evidence that I am not a sockpuppet. Dino 17:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I submitted a couple of paragraphs on the Free Republic website on Jan. 21, 2007, to include biographical information on founder Jim Robinson. It was very basic and noncontroversial material. Yet Ben deleted them and said that the statements did not belong on the Free Republic site. I am in the process of preparing a separate article on Mr. Robinson. I hope that Ben will not challenge this article on the grounds that it should be included in the Free Republic site.

When I started routine editing of the Free Republic site a few weeks ago, I found that it was mostly in passive voice. I switched it to active voice where I could. I found that a lot of terms were not included in the, so I made those changes too. I found sentences that made little sense or were at best unclear. I tried to write all the sentences again so that one could read them without having to guess at what the reader was saying.

When I made routine changes, Ben was constantly monitoring the site, which I found odd.

I also noted the part about death threats. I don't know anything about that, but it sound potentially libelous to me.

Billy Hathorn 16:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Created by sockpuppet of blocked user. MER-C 01:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Conclusions