Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Cladeal832

User:Cladeal832

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

DrKiernan (talk) 14:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Evidence

66.185.217.73 (talk): This anonymous user is an IP in Ontario, Canada and shows a distinctive editing pattern of no edit summaries and a large number of edits to nobility articles, including those of Hesse-Cassel.

User:Cladeal832 shows a distinctive editing pattern of few to no edit summaries and a large number of edits to nobility articles, including those of Hesse-Cassel. They also edit from Ontario IP addresses.

User:MeanLevels shows a distinctive editing pattern of few to no edit summaries and a large number of edits to nobility articles, including those of Hesse-Cassel. They are also interested in Ontario related subject matter.

User:JLIBPB shows a distinctive editing pattern of few to no edit summaries and a large number of edits to nobility articles, including those of Hesse-Cassel. They are also interested in Ontario-related subject matter. They stopped editing on November 17, 2007 and resumed editing at 11 p.m. July 27, 2008, identical dates to the user below, Todkvi5832.

User:Todkvi5832 shows a distinctive editing pattern of few to no edit summaries and a large number of edits to nobility articles, including those of Hesse-Cassel. The username ends in the same three numerals as Cladeal832. Todkvi5832 stopped editing on November 17, 2007 and resumed editing 3 hours after JLIBPB at 2 a.m. July 28, 2008.

All five have "!voted" at least once in related move debates and occasionally edit each others' comments: Talk:Princess Louise Caroline of Hesse-Cassel        . DrKiernan (talk) 14:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments

See also: Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive326 and Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive325


 * First, I was an one-note account or a vandal or a vote canvasser or a needless modernizer and so now, why not, I am not a socket puppet as well. Is this really how Talk Page debates are won? Always believe it was ideas. This incidents further to are when I forgot to sign in so IP address came up and never stated it wasn't me. I never been involved in an edit dispute before. Please not how many times User:Charles, the other is that debate, was blocked and called disruptive. Also not that the main point of the evidence is that they're happened on the same pages. Well, obviously. So by this logic, any editor who edits on a similar topic and about the same time is a socket-puppet. That's pretty low standard and think a lot more will end up on Kiernan's radar if they start disagreeing with him or her. Also, not doing this formally since this Wikipeia accusation get throw out far too often and really aren't done for the sincere benefit to the quality of this website, but the User:Kiernan, the accuser, has strong case for Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point against him or her. Kiernan and I and others are debating an Hesse-Kassel naming issue for 7 article titles and well, his or her aren't doing as as Kiernan would like so after a few hundreds edits without even bothering to bring it up. In fact, not bothering to respond to any of my points. Whether he or she agrees with them or not, the points are coherant enough for a response. Now before User:PMAnderson and User:PeterSymonds get going on this (the only two that really care about this), this really has nothing to do with Hesse-Kassel and the fact that with Google Scholar in the Recent Articles option, Hesse-Cassel get 183 hits, which is less then Hesse-Kassel which get 209 hits. As well if Editors check Catherine of Aragon, while during her lifetime Katherine was used, the fact that most present day scholars use Catherine trumps the antiquated use (as per Kassel today, Cassel yesterday). Journal of Modern History (the leading journal of European history), American Historical Review, Sixteenth Century Journal, German Studies Review, John Merriman's A History of Modern Europe, James Sheehan's German History 1770-1866 (which is published by Oxford University Press), McKay and Scott's The Rise of the Great Powers 1648-1815 as well as Britannica Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia and Columbia Encyclopedia all switched from using Cassel to Kassel so Wikipedia is behind the times in only 7 cases (as opposed to over one thousand other articles that (until yesterday) use Hesse-Kassel either as part of the title or within the text). Users are asking readers of Wikipedia to act like history is some sort of stagnant academic discipline which unchanging terminology while history is like all academic discipline and no different from computer science or cultural studies and all with evolving terms. Mention this solely because this actually affects the quality of what a reader gets which is the most important aspect of Wikipedia Cladeal832 (talk) 15:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

All are socks, all are indef blocked. Master account blocked for 72 hours.  Enigma  message 16:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusions