Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/David Trochos

User:David Trochos

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

Marburg72 (talk) 03:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The following is with regards to the RfC on Marburg 72 located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Marburg72
 * Evidence

It is filed by Trochos, Who has taken to recruiting friends to "endorse" the complaints. This seems to be in direct conflict with the policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry

Do not recruit meatpuppets. It is considered highly inappropriate to advertise Wikipedia articles to your friends, family members, or communities of people who agree with you, so that they come to Wikipedia and support your side of a debate. If you feel that a debate is ignoring your voice, then the appropriate action is to avoid personal attacks, seek comments and involvement from other Wikipedians, or pursue dispute resolution. These are well-tested processes, designed to avoid the problem of exchanging bias in one direction for bias in another.

Wikipedia has policies and processes to mitigate the disruption caused by meatpuppetry:

1. Consensus in many debates and discussions is not based upon number of votes, but upon policy-related points made by editors. Newcomers are unlikely to understand Wikipedia policies and practices, or to introduce any evidence that other users have not already mentioned. 2. In votes or vote-like discussions, new users tend to be disregarded or given significantly less weight, especially if there are many of them expressing the same opinion. 3. For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration Committee has ruled that when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sock puppets, or several users acting as meatpuppets, they may be treated as one entity.

Here is the evidence that Trochos is acting in violation to the applicable policy: Trochos asked Ronz on Ronz talk page to endorse this claim, as follows: Ronz, I've just put in an "Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute" summary, and your name keeps cropping up. Would you like ::to sign in the "Users certifying the basis for this dispute" section? David Trochos (talk) 19:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC) See the following for this extensive recruitment evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/David_Trochos http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKbh3rd&diff=223398909&oldid=221699896 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACJLippert&diff=223398409&oldid=222091728 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AItsmejudith&diff=223387983&oldid=222958028 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APaul_Barlow&diff=223387620&oldid=222972926 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AClovisPt&diff=223386427&oldid=222876449 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APhlegm_Rooster&diff=223369392&oldid=223014893 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARonz&diff=223367856&oldid=223366774

Here Ronz stated that his involvement with this was upon a request for "Help". http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMarburg72&diff=223403410&oldid=223312101

Ronz later reverted this statement, and said that it was from the Fringe accusations page located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMarburg72&diff=223416239&oldid=223412775

Further indirect evidence of recruitment on behalf of the other involved party that is verifying this complaint by the name of DougWeller- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Leoboudv&action=history

Cronie is also a UK friend of Ronz and Trochos. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crohnie&limit=500&action=history —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marburg72 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Leoboudv (talk) page shows that this user is friends with Weller and Trochos has had a long history of prior discussions with him, this is again in direct conflict with MEAT PUPPET policy. In addition, Shot Info, the other user that has "endorsed" the claim quickly, has a long history of discussions with Ronz. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shot_info&limit=500&action=history For the purposes of dispute resolution, the Arbitration Committee has ruled that when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sock puppets, or several users acting as meatpuppets, they may be treated as one entity.

Please review the standard for WP:SOCK and WP:MEAT. I do not feel that this recruitment to verify Trochos and Wellers claims against me are abiding by Wikipedia policy.Marburg72 (talk) 02:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments


 * I don't understand why this accusation has been brought. Marburg72 knows that I am an independent person and has referred to my personal website twice. He has also brought a complaint at ANI . Doug Weller (talk) 06:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm leaving this one to the judgement of the admins. David Trochos (talk) 07:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Marburg72 appears to be confusing dispute resolution with sock puppetry. --Ronz (talk) 16:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a mistaken accusation, surely. Marburg72 evidently does realise that Doug's and Dave's accounts are independently operated. And since he seems to have read the policies, he would be aware that it states "Meatpuppets are not regular Wikipedians who happen to agree with each other; they are accounts set up by separate individuals for the sole purpose of supporting one another.". I doubt he really thinks that one has been brought onto wikipedia by the other for the sole purpose of ganging up on Marburg. If I hadn't already been directly involved with discussions on Marburg's conduct, I'd close this case myself as unfounded.--cjllw ʘ  TALK 02:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

After looking through the contribs of each user, I see no correlation. Wizardman 00:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusions