Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Epbr123


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User:Epbr123

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

LaMenta3 21:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Report submission by

Sockpuppeteer User:Epbr123 began nominating or participating in large numbers of AfD discussions on 14 March 2007 and appeared to be getting little support for most of them. On 15 March 2007, an account for User:Evergreens78 was created. The majority of this user's edits are AfD creations of discussions, and many are ones that were either created or participated in by the suspected Sockpuppeteer. Votes by suspected Sockpuppet and Puppeteer are invariably the same. Below is as complete of a list as possible of the AfD discussions in question, along with relevant diffs:
 * Evidence
 * Articles for deletion/Godwin's Law (2nd nomination)
 * Diffs by Evergreens78 - Diffs 1-2 (creation of AfD discussion, user's 6th and 7th edits)
 * Diffs by Epbr123 - Diffs 1-6 (vote to delete), Diff 7, Diffs 8-12


 * Articles for deletion/David Howell (footballer)
 * Article was Speedied, AfD discussion created by Epbr123 and 'Speedy Delete' vote was made by Evergreens78


 * Articles for deletion/Liz Stewart
 * Diffs by Epbr123 - Diff 1(creation of AfD discussion), Diff 2, Diff 3, Diff 4, Diffs 5-6, Diff 7, Diffs 8-10
 * Diffs by Evergreens78 - Diff 1 (Strong Delete vote), Diffs 2-3


 * Comments
 * Compiled list is shorter than I thought it would be, however it is very odd that the majority of a new user's edits would be in AfD discussions. Suspected sockpuppet has also been doing some trolling in discussions and through vandalism on articles such as Anton LeVey (diff 1) and (diff 2), though this doesn't directly relate to the Sockpuppetry, except that this may be a case of "Good hand, bad hand". This, however, doesn't come with as much evidence as the AfD Sockpuppetry.
 * I can't find anything to prove anything. However, that Evergreen created Category:Trolls and put himself in it is very interesting. &mdash;ScouterSig 02:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Admittedly, the two users' edit patterns have diverged significantly since I first suspected them and opened this case. I'm inclined to believe at this point that they are two separate people, but they do both have disruptive tendencies which coincided at the wrong place at the wrong time. Evergreens78, trollish-pain-in-our-collective-rear-ends as he may be, is probably no one's sockpuppet. However, it may be best to do a checkuser in order to be certain. Something still doesn't feel quite right to me about either of these users. LaMenta3 03:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would like an apology for the 'disruptive tendencies' remark. Epbr123 04:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've indefinitely blocked Evergreens78 for other reasons. — {admin} Pathoschild 01:32:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't need anyone to back me up in the David Howell discussion. Evergreens78's support wasn't particularly useful in the Liz Stewart discussion.
 * Response from Epbr123

I'm not a sock-puppet. Check out IPs, I doubt we're even in the same subnet.
 * Response from Evergreens78

--Evergreens78 17:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

Evergreens78 blocked already for disruption, but I don't see conclusive proof here that he was a sock of Epbr123. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)