Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Fairness And Accuracy For All

User:Fairness And Accuracy For All

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

Lima 11:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The first edit under the name Eschoir was on 3 March 2007, simply continuing, it seems, a discussion in which Fairness And Accuracy For All (abbreviated as FaAfA) was engaged concerning Free Republic. March 2007 was the month when FaAfA was banned, first for ten days, then for a year. Just when the name FaAfa disappeared from the discussion and editing of Free Republic, the name Eschoir began to appear repeatedly as that of an editor with a very active interest in the article.
 * Evidence

In the case of FaAfA, The ban was reset on 6 September 2007 due to sockpuppetry. What sockpuppetry was involved is not indicated. I am unsure how to interpret the latest notice about this user; perhaps it indicates an indefinite ban. Lima 11:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have since found records of these bans at Requests_for_arbitration/Free_Republic. Those involved in the discussion will understand the question better than I can.  Lima 21:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

My one doubt is due to the fact that the ISP used by Eschoir when not logged in (as shown in the dovetailing of this recent edit with the editing done under the name Eschoir on the same article; the same holds for the other anonymous edits done from that ISP since March 2007) does not appear to have been used by FaAfA, unless the one earlier anonymous edit from that ISP is FaAfA's, which is not at all obvious. Either Eschoir is indeed not FaAfA or, if on the other hand FaAfA is in fact now using the name Eschoir, FaAfA perhaps began to make anonymous edits with that ISP only in March, perhaps between logging in under different names, or may even have changed ISP the better to get around the ban. Lima 11:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments


 * There seems to be a slip up in Eschoir mentioning the Bryan from Palatine arbcom. Interesting. I am not familiar at all with Eschoir (I'll be familiarizing myself), but I am quite familiar with FAAFA and his many sockpuppets. He has been known as User:NBGPWS, User:Bmedley Sutler, User:TheDeciderDecides, and probably a couple of others that slip my mind at the moment. His one year arbcom ban was reset when he disrupted and sabotaged my RfA in tag team with another banned sockpuppeteer, User:BenB4. Following the closing of my RfA, FAAFA was given an indefinite community ban per discussion at WP:CSN, when the community finally came to the realization that he was here only to cause harm to the project in general, and to harass users in particular. He was haunting Wikipedia Review for a while, but I think even they may have shown him the door. - Crockspot 00:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

This section, I suppose, is for others. Lima 11:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

That's called "no evidence." My identity was thoroughly vetted in the Bryan from Palatine investigation.

I am not FAAFA. Eschoir 16:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have learned more about Eschoir since I wrote the above. I have found, for instance, in Wikipedia that Eschoir was "previously involved in serious external (i.e. external to Wikipedia) conflict with Free Republic."  And on an external site I have found his real name and occupation.  I request him now to be so kind as to rid my mind of the remaining suspicion that he can be considered the puppet master and FaAfA the puppet, rather than the other way round.
 * It would be helpful if he would kindly tell me where I can find in Wikipedia that "My (i.e. Eschoir's) identity was thoroughly vetted in the Bryan from Palatine investigation" in such a way that it showed that FaAfA was not his puppet.
 * I have failed (my fault, I suppose) to find Eschoir mentioned in Suspected sock puppets/BryanFromPalatine or Requests for checkuser/Case/BryanFromPalatine. I have found that FaAfA was involved.
 * I have now understood better the meaning of Eschoir's first ever intervention in Wikipedia, when he called Dino Bryan. He had obviously been following the discussion and was convinced that DeanHinnen was the same editor as BryanFromPalatine.  Had he been not merely following but intervening in the discussion under another name?  Could that name have been FaAfA?
 * I would be happy to receive a clarification, for I would be happy to end this enquiry as soon as possible, no matter whether the result shows that Eschoir and FaAfA are the same editor or that they are not. Lima 21:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's just cut this off so no one wastes any more time. Eschoir contributed to Requests_for_arbitration/Free_Republic, and I'm sure that he was closely scrutinized at that time as a possible sockpuppet of FaAfA. So we can all assume that he's not FaAfA, unless some very strong and compelling evidence can be supplied to tie him to FaAfA. This case lacks such evidence, so I'm closing it. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)